theoneofgod:

As long as Windows 10 gets updated for DirectStorage and the improvements made for remembering multi monitor window positions I'd be happy with 10 for a while. Can't be bothered with 11's taskbar and settings.

Its a wider taskbar and come on, I have to right click the start button ONLY to get to the task manager, good old MS, "We know best", forget options. Same old poop different day.

Insane stuff. TPM won't add that much security if any. Neither would a jump from a unsupported (?) 7700K or 7980XE to a 8700K like I have. What would add some security to Windows would be a better UI with easily accessible per app settings and a verbose mode for app activity, like Kaspersky Security for example. Unsure if I'll bother to upgrade. Only if there's some feature I decide I really need, which from my Win11 VM doesn't seem to be the case.

Mineria:

So you really think that those consumers need Windows 11 to get on with their lives? Is anyone even using Windows 10 on such ancient hardware?

Yes since most service from governement are ONLY online and need latest OS to be done (despite they officialy promote linux wich would be a better choise) Also everything get more expensive, we pay more tax, and the incoming stay the same (it's the main reason why i moved to a tax free country) And yes it is the sad reality of many country in Europe, it's not only in poor country of Africa as an exemple... It have a name btw: the digital divide

Zooke:

This is essential to the business and political plans of the people in the billionaires club. Great for them, not so great for the rest of us. When they talk of providing "Security", they mean taking control. When they talk of being "Secure", they mean being locked down.

Sure man, the new world order will take you by needing an 8th gen Core for Windows. Are you familiar with the term "scapegoating"? Instead of looking at our actual problems of taxation, inequality etc, people waste their energy with a bunch of bullshit. That's a proper conspiracy right there. Your life won't be taken over because a spyware won't be able to put itself between Windows and the UEFI.

Zooke:

The days of people being able to do what we want on our pc's and also be part of normal society are numbered.

What in the actual fuck. We are literally on the day of the Linux desktop. You have everything open source, and even open source alternatives for running tens of thousands of closed source programs. See WINE, Proton, and all the rest of the native Linux stuff. You didn't have a choice, but ironically you have a choice now, and yet you whine about it.

Zooke:

You will be ostracised from Windows if your hardware does not conform. Now where have I heard that kind of rhetoric before ? Sounds all too familiar doesn't it.

Yeah, you should. What does "ostracized" means to you? Nadella sending your CPU to political exile in Siberia? What's wrong with you people. The rhetoric does sound familiar. It's stupid misdirected anger, while the world does change in the actually important parts around you. Microsoft should have put a hardware ceiling a long time ago, and no, because your hardware has a TPM, it doesn't mean you cannot do what you want with it. It's actually the opposite, only you can do what you want with it. Read about TPMs in the open source world. Want to complain about something? Complain about the AMD PSP and the Intel Management Engine, but these are not cool, and you can't use evangelist terms about them because most idiots don't even know what they do. FFS.

rl66:

Yes since most service from governement are ONLY online and need latest OS to be done (despite they officialy promote linux wich would be a better choise) Also everything get more expensive, we pay more tax, and the incoming stay the same (it's the main reason why i moved to a tax free country) And yes it is the sad reality of many country in Europe, it's not only in poor country of Africa as an exemple... It have a name btw: the digital divide

The latest OS from Microsoft includes two though, so no, they will not need Windows 11 since Windows 10 still goes strong for some years. Tax free comes at a cost too.

"We will block you from upgrading your device to an unsupported state since we really want to make sure that your devices stay supported and secure"

https://beauty4956.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/challenge-accepted-barney-stinson-06.jpg

If anyone has 22000 installed on their "unsupported" system and has been receiving cumulative updates all this time, then it means microsoft are full of the shite. 22000.100 is RTM and anyone using it should be moving to the beta channel now so they don't start getting 23000 builds etc.

Windows 10 is supported until 2025. I suppose if someone cannot buy a new rig by then should stop using PC. 4 years are so long that you can even build an enthusiast grade rig if you save enough money month by month, year by year. 4 years remaining for the poor and crybabies. Live on.

itpro:

Windows 10 is supported until 2025. I suppose if someone cannot buy a new rig by then should stop using PC. 4 years are so long that you can even build an enthusiast grade rig if you save enough money month by month, year by year. 4 years remaining for the poor and crybabies. Live on.

For us, it's clearly not a problem, but think that we represent 10%, maybe 20% of the PC users... Anyway M$ will step back at one point, like they have done with W10. Also W11 is really a kind of W10.5 or W10+ than a real new Windows from what i have seen.

Mineria:

Tax free comes at a cost too.

Work in the place, live in the place too, never have been against the law... and that's all (and be patient too, it take around 3 year)

rl66:

For us, it's clearly not a problem, but think that we represent 10%, maybe 20% of the PC users... Anyway M$ will step back at one point, like they have done with W10. Also W11 is really a kind of W10.5 or W10+ than a real new Windows from what i have seen.

Doubt they will step back with the requirements for 11. As said, 10 still goes strong, it will get some nice new features including DirectStorage, besides the ability to choose between the 10 and 11 alike start menu.