Spanish site posts review AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
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schmidtbag
I don't understand your motives. When Intel tops the charts, you remain quiet. When AMD tops a chart, you are quick to find any reason to avoid them and for others to do the same. Why do you care so much? You act as though the extra 5% FPS you get from Intel will make or break your gaming experience. If you really believe that, fine, go ahead and buy Intel. But don't start spreading FUD because you're an elitist and pedantic about petty numbers.
The "cold data" isn't the only thing people care about. If it was, AMD would've gone bankrupt a decade ago, and the 30FPS you get from consoles would be deemed unanimously unacceptable.
I think even you should agree that something seems real suspicious about that graph. The 2700 (to my recollection) has smaller caches, is clocked higher, smaller transistors, and ideally some optimizations. In many of those benchmarks, it was performing pretty well. And yet, its latency is distinctly worse. Does this add up to you? Let's not jump to conclusions based on 1 review, released at a questionable time.
That being said, I take all of these charts (including the positive ones) with a grain of salt.
sammarbella
Call me "unbeliever".
I really believe in AMD capacity to f*** everything it could do right including his own sucess (Ryzen).
Zen was a HUGE step forward for AMD CPUs but Ryzen needs a better memory controller to make Infinity Fabric shine AND game devs use of ALL his cores to reach and beat Intel alternatives FOR GAMING.
Until then AMD CPUs will remain the "subpar" performance (and cheap) alternative to Intel CPUs for PC gamers.
Fox2232
Syncing Infinity Fabric to Memory clock was genius idea. That IMC is damn good. If anything, you misinterpret effect of Caches. But those are good too. With Zen+ Infinity Fabric could reach somewhere to 3,6GHz.
For Zen2 it may be 4,2GHz on Infinity Fabric. AMD got itself good card which just upgrades itself almost for free.
Then Single Threaded performance of Zen1 was already better than yours Ivy @ 4.1GHz. Currently you and I, we sit around level of Raven Ridge 2400G. That's entry level APU. So every time you sling much at Ryzen, you do sling it at your system.
(Go and Upgrade to new intel already if you do not want AMD's CPU. I'll calmly wait few more weeks.)
Fox2232
That's running 3600MHz memory. CL14, 62ns latency.
SaLaDiN666
Really don't undestand certain things.
People were hating on Intel because often, they have to change mobos when upgrading cpus /If you invested in a better chipset, you had the support lasting 2 generations even in the non HEDT segment, so if you decided to buy cheap mobos which didn't support OC etc, etc, your fault/
Now, these AMD cpus are getting tested on older, previous mobos with older chipsets and people saying that with older chipset, there is very little to non performance improvement, thus these leaked tests shouldn't be taken into account and we should wait till the cpus will be tested on new mobos with the new, latest chipset.
Wait, like what. Wasn't this backward socket compatibility thingy and easy to upgrade the reason why people were defending and loving AMD for? Now I am very confused now, because the mantra has changed once again and apparently the upgrade is pointless 🙂
Fox2232
It does not matter that they kind of "tried" to give intel a bit of advantage. Main thing is that they actually had 2700X run with 2400MHz memory. It is perfectly visible from bandwidth they claimed 2700X has from memory @FAKE3200MHz. I do look at Ryzen 2700X. In that only comparison which really matters to me is with 1700X. As i want to know how much AMD improved on some things.
From what I have seen, it is quite good. For now, nothing to complain here about. I wonder what it will do on X470 chipset. But I think I have my upgrade decided. I'll just have to decide on MB, which is hard choice.
(And bit of sadness as PCIe 4.0 will be available on EPIC refresh in Q4. But that's for something I expect to come in 2020 what will have good use for it.)
airbud7
simple BIOS/driver update when they come out will fix that.
blazngun
To many thousands of AMD gamers, they are more than happy to sacrifice minor performance and support a company that helps drive innovation, cares about their non-business user base, and keeps team blue honest. For some of us, Intel will never be an option unless there is 0 competition. Intel would still be pumping out quad-core for years had AMD not stepped up to the plate with Zen. I am more than happy with my 1700's gaming performance, and for most gamers, the CPU is not the bottleneck anyways. Can you explain how AMD f***s everything up. Ryzen has been hugely successful, unless viewed through the eyes of an intel fanboy.
chispy
Thank you for sharing these video. From what i have read and seen so far it looks like the wall from the Ryzen 8c 16t 1700/1700x/1800x of 1.35v~1.40v at 4.0Ghz might have moved to 4.2Ghz at 1.35v~1.40v and maybe some silicon lottery winners would get 4.3Ghz max. I have seen already memory at DDR4-3866Mhz somewehere in my search for information on the new 2xxx cpus , so that is a very good sign as Ryzen do scale very well with memory 🙂.
I will wait for proper reviews ( Guru3D ) with proper Bios and drivers for this new cpus to make a final judgment , this random previews and reviews it seems are not using proper Bios and drivers as Hilbert stated already , so take anything with a pinch of salt at this moment and be patient before posting non sense all over the place without knowing the whole facts after the TRUE reviews are out , ps: waiting for Hibert's review anxiously 😀 !
@Hilbert Hagedoorn could you please use a good high end water cooling loop to find your max overclock if possible on your review 😉. Thank you in advanced !
warlord
You do realize like GURUS you are here regarding PC hardware that your arguments are wrong?
If you need more expensive RAM to catch up the performance of less core/threaded more expensive CPU, you do not win any money by going AMD at the moment. Any money you win by going red CPU you give it to RAM manufacturers.
The only win-win scenario is that from going AMD you will have more cores/threads for always every time. But do not forget that also Intel can use faster RAM and you know then you will still have a killer #1 system. Each to his own in the end. Choice is yours.
chispy
Nice 🙂 , now you have pick my brain and i'm wondering how will this cpus would do in liquid Nitrogen 😀
Pel8
They are using a x370 MB w/o an updated bios for Ryzen 2xxx
Aura89
I'm truly, truly sorry that you prefer meaningless numbers vs gaming.
I myself, as a gamer, care about the gaming experience, of which my Ryzen 1700x more then meets. I get good FPS no matter which game i'm running with a 1080 ti and 1440p @ 144hz, my lows are great, my stability is great, and i have a wonderful PC GAMING experience that would not be increase if i had bought an Intel processor. In fact, in my cases, i have found it would have decreased with an intel processor, because even though i could have gotten higher max FPS in some titles in settings i would not use, the range at which the FPS would fluctuate would be far higher and cause a worse gaming experience, and many times, the lows would be much lower.
So you want to sit here and say all gamers only care about high FPS on settings they don't use, instead of the stability of frames and their lowes, which matter much more? Fine, by all means, your choice. But i really, really do feel sorry for you, for caring about what gaming isn't, instead of what gaming is.
But quite frankly your elitist attitude that something is not good for "PC Gamers" as if you speak for PC gamers is both childish and full of yourself. You do not speak for PC gamers. You will never speak for PC gamers. You speak for YOURSELF. And yes, there will be others that agree with you, just like there's others that agree with me. By your logic, i could say I speak for PC gamers since obviously PC gamers agree with me, right? right.....
No, instead you speak for yourself, i speak for myself, and others will speak for themselves. So get off your self-made throne and do what YOU want, stop worrying about what others want, and stop trying to say you speak for "gamers"
You say that as if Intel PC builders are not going to get the fastest, or close to fastest ram they can put into their computers as well. Will they absolutely need to? No, but neither does AMD PC builders. I had my ryzen rig running at 2400 ram for the first 10 months or so, and had no issues with any games at the highest settings. Do i get more now that i set it to 3200? Sure, but it's not like it's night and day.
But realistically, Intel PC builders who are going for the "fastest PC they can build" are going to get the fastest ram they can put in as well, so your argument is fundamentally flawed.
warlord
The real difference between those two Intel and AMD at the moment is exactly this, you like it or not. Any difference at CPU clocks need to be backed up from RAM's speed/cl range. It isn't really that bad but you have less profit from using it than what originally intended.
Personally I wouldn't care for some FPS higher here and there. I would choose more threads and game fluidity anytime. But now we live in the era of benchmarking and streaming, you can't blame evolution, even if Intel still has the crown in both classes at the moment.
I like to be different and I would choose AMD anytime. If it is always bang for buck of course. Ryzen is a better solution now that it is refreshed. 1700/1800X are not match for 8700/8700K. Now with Ryzen plus it is a different scenario for candidate buyers or new rig's pick.
jortego128
Do you even realize the single biggest change for the Ryzen 2000 series is a newly designed memory controller??? They specifically did this to enhance latency and IF performance.
Picolete
Because you need the new chipsets to utilize Precision Boost 2 and XFR 2, i think it's because the TDP of the 2700X or something related to that.
airbud7
now you got me curious? if it takes another MOBO for 2700x ...they're no different than Intel....
I sure hope AMD ....Grrrrr ....I'll leave here now.
schmidtbag
You don't need another mobo, it's just better if you do. For most people, I don't think the newer chipset will matter:
* If you overclock, I'm not sure there's any significant gains in the newer chipsets; the 300 series ought to work just fine.
* If you don't intend to overclock and you want to build a whole new PC, just get a board with the newer chipset. If you don't know why you should do this, there's a good chance you wouldn't notice the difference anyway.
* If you don't intend to overclock and you intend to upgrade the CPU, well, that's just a poor decision. The Ryzen 2000 series isn't enough of an upgrade, especially on the 300 series chipsets.
Anyway, I'd much rather have limited features and keep using my existing hardware than buy a whole new motherboard and CPU.
warlord
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X/m475904vs3915
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X/m466081vs3920
airbud7
yea^ ... newer feature sets are better and there's nothing we can do about that... (the future).
