Yogi:

Afaik the 360 outsold the ps3 overall but to throw another curve ball in there, neither won that generation in terms of unit sales. The Wii crushed it in that regard but still that didn't really help Nintendo in the succeeding generation. I recognize that Nintendo are a bit of an anomaly in the market so I won't mention them anymore except to point out that a significantly lower price point can lead to massive sales. If the Xbox can undercut the Ps5 by $100 we could easily a shift back to Microsoft. As for the larger user base argument I'm not convinced that it particularly matters to anyone except fanboys, (That may actually be a significant factor but I have no idea) because the vast majority of big AAA games those users are playing are usually cross platform. I agree with you that the 4k buzzword features probably won't be a deciding factor for the majority of buyers. I'll admit I don't have any skin in this fight, I haven't purchased a console since the 360 and have no intention of doing so, though if the switch gets a decent price cut I may pick up one to replace my poor aging wii and add portable gaming as an option.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles If you order that table by units sold - the xbox 360 missed out by <3 million units, and, the PS3 was nearly a year late and yes, you are right about the Wii - didn't the Wii have the same/similar chipset to the Gamecube? The lifetime numbers are amazing for Nintendo, 754 million consoles sold over the lifetime of their home games consoles. As for me, probably PS5, and most of that is down to the fact you can get super-cheap PS4 'hits' like Uncharted for pennies now (brand new) and these will work on the PS5. Super cool. I just do not think Microsoft will win this round, and Halo/Gears/[w/e] mean nothing to me, as Microsoft have given me the option of playing those games on my PC/rig anyway...so what is the point? Especially when it comes to MP games, because on the 'box, I gotta spend money every month to Microsoft (same as Sony) and so no, I don't think so...

Netherwind:

I hope people realize that if they get a 4K@60fps capable machine with Navi and SSD for some 400-500$, it's a damn good deal.

Except you're not going to get a 4k60fps capable console for many many years. Regardless of what might be claimed. Not going to be the reality

H83:

And they have just found out this now??? Don´t tell me that no one at Sony realized that good hardware is expensive... True but people expect consoles to be cheap otherwise they won´t buy it. Personally i normally wait for consoles to drop below 300€, only then i buy them.

No console is cheap here in Australia. PS4 is still way too expensive here.

Xbox gamers are used to a higher priced console with the Xbox One X. PS gamers on the other hand are not. PS 4 Pro was not an immediate success. However, PS4 succeeded due to initially lower price and no drm to lock discs to consoles like MS originally planned (and had to backtrack on). I'm certain that Sony's prime strategy to get as many early adopters as possible with PS5 is to be cheaper than X Series X.

Irenicus:

No console is cheap here in Australia. PS4 is still way too expensive here.

Just checked Amazon Australia. PlayStation 4 Console 500GB Slim Black is 379.00 AUD, which translates to 235.57 Euro, so same price as here in Europe. Why do Australians never learn that currency conversion rate is a thing?

Except 500 bucks wouldnt even be too expensive when you see the beast it will be. A mid range CG cost this, without accounting every single other part. I dont see any issue with it being 500. 400 or 500 is almost the same, if you can afford 400 you can afford 500.

For the hardware it's being put inside, make it 499 USD and call it a day. 4k@60fps, just do it.

Stormyandcold:

Xbox gamers are used to a higher priced console with the Xbox One X. PS gamers on the other hand are not. PS 4 Pro was not an immediate success. However, PS4 succeeded due to initially lower price and no drm to lock discs to consoles like MS originally planned (and had to backtrack on). I'm certain that Sony's prime strategy to get as many early adopters as possible with PS5 is to be cheaper than X Series X.

With 108 million units sold and 36 million subscribers of PlayStation plus passed 34 million in 2018, this generates (ready?) ‭$1,700,000,000‬ per year based on the following math: 34,000,000 x $50 (avg.aggr) annual subscription cost. That is the thing, because this number of 1,700 million dollars, kinda states that is does not matter, when you are making those kind of numbers without selling one console to do it. This, is the what Google and its failed stadia junk was all about - a subscription model no one asked for or wanted, because they are already paying a tonne to MS or Sony as it is, and those accounts are worth more than losing the account and going to another service. This, is also why M$ screwed up with the XB1 - even though it has been seven years, I am still in utter SHOCK they did what they did with the console. M$ could have (after the enormous, gigantamassivetitanica success of the xb360 and xboxlive sub) sewn up the console market for decades. I've said this before, but all they had to do was release something that ran bluerays, 1080P/60fps and was double the power of the existing machine, with tonnes of vram. No, instead they released a piece of junk, no blue ray, not vram, a fascist camera, always on internet, DRM insanity, tonnes of teeveeteeveeteevee/CoD/Sports BS and THEN, they attacked the playerbase on twitter calling them idiots for not having high-speed internet... It could all have been theirs, as far as the eye could see...

I read somewhere that it'll come in 3 flavors, mainly just SSD size. The top one has a 1tb m.2 and is said to cost £450 uk.

Yogi:

Afaik the 360 outsold the ps3 overall but to throw another curve ball in there, neither won that generation in terms of unit sales. The Wii crushed it in that regard but still that didn't really help Nintendo in the succeeding generation.

Loobyluggs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles If you order that table by units sold - the xbox 360 missed out by <3 million units, and, the PS3 was nearly a year late and yes, you are right about the Wii - didn't the Wii have the same/similar chipset to the Gamecube?

Using the official financial report figures : Sales per quarter the Xbox 360 sold 17.3 million units between Winter 2005 and summer 2009 where it stopped, https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Xbox_360 PS3 sold 80 MILLION between Winter 2006 and 2013! It was 23 million to 2009. (came to the market 1 year late). 64 million to 2011! https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/PlayStation_3 https://web.archive.org/web/20140702143333/www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/playstation3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide-230771611.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xbox 360 was primarily a failure because it came only with a DVD drive and had to buy external HDDVD drive to watch HD films. (or not at all later if you wanted to watch BD). With the launch of PS3 including BD drive, SONY outright killed completely the ongoing battle between the two HD formats (BD vs HDDVD) selling a whole console at the price of a BD player back then. It was a boon to buy a PS3 over a 360 just because of that. Only hard core fans of Halo, Gear bought a 360 and still many of them bought a PS3 because of the BD ability. Those of us old enough, remember pretty well how things were shaping back then. If MS wasn't that greedy and came by default with HDDVD on the 360, it could have killed SONY & Blu-ray (a SONY product) outright in 2005 before the later could have a response.

Fediuld:

Using the official financial report figures : Sales per quarter the Xbox 360 sold 17.3 million units between Winter 2005 and summer 2009 where it stopped, https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Xbox_360 PS3 sold 80 MILLION between Winter 2006 and 2013! It was 23 million to 2009. (came to the market 1 year late). 64 million to 2011! https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/PlayStation_3 https://web.archive.org/web/20140702143333/www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/playstation3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide-230771611.html

Umm... You might want to check your figures and sources again. As far as I can tell vgsales is quoting US 360 sales vs global ps3 sales in those quarterly tables and their sources are hilarious (one is actually a forum post and they reference their own wiki on several occasions, at one point in the last paragraph saying that as of Jan 2009 the Xbox has outsold the PS3 by 7 million in the US ) Bottom line seems to be that both Sony and Microsoft shipped more than 80 million 7th gen units and Sony seems to have edged out Microsoft sales by 2 or 3 million. Neither company seems to care to let us know actual numbers.

I remember the PS3 being $700

eh i am expecting 399-450, I prefer to be sold for 399 the ps4 pro is sold for 399 is pushing imo for console, I bought ps3 when it was what 599? Never again will i pay that and according to Sony the will never again launch system at that price. 399$ I would by it with out much a thought, but if more then that I wont buy it till there sale of like 100$ or something sorta how ps4 pro was being sold at 300$ recently. if it gona cost as much as my video card or more. and still be worse then my gpu and or rest of my pc why would i want pay it. and unless it exlusive it come to pc anyway at some point and tend to run better.

KissSh0t:

I remember the PS3 being $700

ps3 launch price was 599 well in the USA not sure where it was 700 wouldnt be surpised if it was more in other territories

tsunami231:

ps3 launch price was 599 well in the USA not sure where it was 700 wouldnt be surpised if it was more in other territories

Auzzie land... the land of more expensive because reasons.

KissSh0t:

Auzzie land... the land of more expensive because reasons.

😱:( 😳 price are just getting stupider as time goes on and i I sure tariff and other taxes to have thing imported in dont help

Yogi:

Are you guys forgetting the PS3. That launched with a $600 price tag and didnt sell anywhere near what Sony was hoping. They effectively "lost" that generation

I wouldn't say they lost the generation, but I do agree the OG PS3 was just too much. They tried to stuff too much into one package that people didn't actually need(card readers, 4 usb, cell CPU was just expensive on its own, at the time built in wifi, bluray at the time was expensive, and having the emotions engine from the PS2 built right in).

Glottiz:

Microsoft announces super expensive Xbox Series X and no one in the media even bothers questioning price. Everyone is just salivating at possible performance targets and specifications. Meanwhile Sony announces PS5 and all articles for the last two months or so have been negative and various levels of concern-trolls.

You have to remember there's also the the Series S possible announcement with a lower price.

tsunami231:

😱:( 😳 price are just getting stupider as time goes on and i I sure tariff and other taxes to have thing imported in dont help

You aren't wrong, last time I got a top of the range video card it was $1000, now top of the range is $2000.... the mining craze didn't help.

KissSh0t:

You aren't wrong, last time I got a top of the range video card it was $1000, now top of the range is $2000.... the mining craze didn't help.

well damn I would never pay 1000$ for gpu, I dont care how good it is. 300 about the highest I would pay tried paying 400-500 for gpu twice each time I regretted it, and 1 of the 2 time I got refund on bought something cheaper, Then again me getting the 500 card threw step-up kind made impossible to get refund .

If ps5 with those specs come out and sell for 450-499, would be awesome! I know I am dreaming but imagine to be able to jailbreak it and install windows on ...it will be THE budget gaming pc ...but i know not a chance 😛

Irenicus:

Except you're not going to get a 4k60fps capable console for many many years. Regardless of what might be claimed. Not going to be the reality

It sure is a bold claim but I guess we'll see what magic RDNA brings to the table. We do have 4K@30fps today (One X) so it would indeed be quite a leap to double the performance.