... but but but ... can it BSOD at Crysis? :-D Somehow it seems no enterprise users (or almost none) are testing Win10, because most of the bugs mentioned are bugs which occur more in enterprise (or at least SMB = Small to Medium Businesses) areas. SMB is a typical way to provide a share to network users, VLANs are set up to provide separate networks within one network and WSUS is another thing for (almost exclusive) corporate use. But to be honest: MS always had its problems with WSUS, not only on Win10 or Server 2016. "WSUS not seeing updates" is a well known issue every now and then, together with "WSUS installs what it wants" or "WSUS doesn't see machines" or "WSUS rolls out the wrong patches". Strange enough I use Win10 1803 and did not run into these issues, neither in a workgroup nor in a domain. But I do not use Edge or HomeGroups and have almost no need for VLANs (I use three at my work), so probably that is why I am not affected by these issues (or at least I do not notice). If your WSUS or WIndows Update does not see it, get it from here:

http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4284848

All these reported issues usually only affect very small minorities of the users, but pointing that out would remove some of the "sensation" from the reports, of course. The only issue I'm currently facing is that Windowed-GSYNC doesn't work on 1803, but Windowed-GSYNC was always sort-of a hack and its probably not Microsofts fault, and NVIDIA is working on it to fix it.

nevcairiel:

All these reported issues usually only affect very small minorities of the users, but pointing that out would remove some of the "sensation" from the reports, of course. The only issue I'm currently facing is that Windowed-GSYNC doesn't work on 1803, but Windowed-GSYNC was always sort-of a hack and its probably not Microsofts fault, and NVIDIA is working on it to fix it.

Oh yes, its always "small minority of users" up until it affects you. Issue is an issue, regardless of how many it affects.

They will release a good build of 10 one of these days.... *stares off into the distance* one of these days.

Isn't SMBv1 disabled by default? Anyhow we're phasing it out at work as it's considered a security risk nowadays.

Corrupt^:

Isn't SMBv1 disabled by default? Anyhow we're phasing it out at work as it's considered a security risk nowadays.

It is since 1709 i believe? I have it enabled because i need it to reach my Mede8er MED500X via WiFi whenever i make my Videowall.

Once Win7 becomes completely and utterly unusable, I'll probably switch to Linux or something. Can't bring myself to put this cancer in my computer.

But in the world of programmers and project managers older persistent bugs are called "features".

vonSternberg:

Once Win7 becomes completely and utterly unusable, I'll probably switch to Linux or something. Can't bring myself to put this cancer in my computer.

Why Win7 becomes completely and utterly unusable?

The gift that keeps giving!

It seems MS's testing has been getting lazier and lazier the past few years. Are they trying to get people to switch to other OSes?

Well the Insider program is a joke, no matter how many times issues get reported, things remain broken and unfixed. Its just the same old Microsoft, this is what we will gve you, test, report, we might fix. The interface is a mess, they update some icons, leave old icons, Control Panel, Settings, still all over the place, some option now take more clicks to find the same information.

maybe they should fix bluetooth from disappearing forever i disabled it some time ago and there is no way to bring it back even after endeless googling and attempts to do so i cant get my bluetooth back doesnt even show up that i have bluetooth.

cryohellinc:

Oh yes, its always "small minority of users" up until it affects you. Issue is an issue, regardless of how many it affects.

lol yep. at what point to we get from 'it's perfect never had a problem'--to--'this OS is cancer' lol. fact is it like any OS is a mixed bag that is riddled with problems because there are sooo many different hardware configurations on earth. that's probably why microsoft is now using AI to deploy update rollouts which according to them are quelling issues and allowing them to roll out major updates twice as fast. have heard about it becoming more open source tooall I know is here Microsoft is forced to acknowledge some faults, in an OS that has been through 5 redstone incarnations, and 4 out of every 5 comments people are listing issues. I have 5 computers and I've had issues on every machine. but so did windows 7--which increasingly loses support. fact is that, even given all the faults, it's not a bad OS. such is life. negativity bias no matter how much progress we see. maybe a more moderate take on it's perfection/imperfection is in order... it's not perfect, has it's pros and cons. I still dual boot 7 and 10 on all my machines. things usually run best (or at all) in one or the other. still having to clean install all OSes every year or so as various issues arise. same as ever (just not as many BSoDs and slowness as the old windows 95/xp days). things are improving, but I am beginning to doubt their business model of "windows 10 is the last version of windows" pretty sure we saw 5 versions in the past few years in windows 10 alone ... more like more versions than ever. lmao. the conspiracy theorist in me suspects they're about to abandon this branding of 'windows' because of all the stigma. maybe they'll come out with some totally different named OS if this really is the last windows, at some point when the software has to be majorly rewritten. maybe windows 10 is the beta for that. or even change their company name like google/alphabet. eternal beta x_x we're all lab rats lol.

Mateja:

at what point to we get from 'it's perfect never had a problem'--to--'this OS is cancer' lol.

Haha EXACTLY.

Mateja:

the conspiracy theorist in me suspects they're about to abandon this branding of 'windows' because of all the stigma. maybe they'll come out with some totally different named OS if this really is the last windows, at some point when the software has to be majorly rewritten. maybe windows 10 is the beta for that. or even change their company name like google/alphabet. eternal beta x_x we're all lab rats lol.

Ha, that's a very interesting idea! Releasing a new/different OS with a different name does seem like a plausible & potentially good idea, and it gets round the 'last version of Windows" thing. Risky though!

Windows 10 is a major step up from windows 7. It wasn't easy to make a great and STABLE OS like windows 7 look old, slow and useless. As both an IT and developer myself I admire that they surpassed failure thrice. First with Vista then windows 8 and finally 8.1. Give them some credit or I will stigmatize you as jealous people of those working at Microsoft.

schmidtbag:

It seems MS's testing has been getting lazier and lazier the past few years. Are they trying to get people to switch to other OSes?

The biggest thing stopping most people from switching to another OS is familiarity.... Most people are already familiar with Windows and stick with it due to this. For the average user, ChromeOS is more than capable enough. Unfortunately, the few desktops it's available on are a bit slower or overpriced for what they're actually capable of. MacOS is a fine replacement for Windows, but again, familiarity and pricing are big barriers for most people. Even Linux desktops and laptops seem to be largely priced higher than their Windows counter-parts, but most people don't want to learn Linux anyway. As long as people refuse to learn and adapt, MS will have to try a lot harder to push people away.

sykozis:

The biggest thing stopping most people from switching to another OS is familiarity.... Most people are already familiar with Windows and stick with it due to this. For the average user, ChromeOS is more than capable enough. Unfortunately, the few desktops it's available on are a bit slower or overpriced for what they're actually capable of. MacOS is a fine replacement for Windows, but again, familiarity and pricing are big barriers for most people.

I 100% agree - I've been telling people the same sort of thing myself. In fact, despite being an extensive Linux user, I actually don't hate W10 (unlike many people here, who strictly use Windows). But anyway, MS knows W10 isn't super attractive, with familiarity just being one of many problems, so the fact that they're not paying close enough attention to their patches really isn't helping people want to switch.

Even Linux desktops and laptops seem to be largely priced higher than their Windows counter-parts, but most people don't want to learn Linux anyway. As long as people refuse to learn and adapt, MS will have to try a lot harder to push people away.

Yeah, unfortunately without the adware and other useless crap that comes with computers, the Linux models don't get discounted that much. I'd gladly buy a laptop specific for Linux, but most of the time I could get an equivalent Windows laptop for cheaper. Since I intend to wipe the drive clean anyway, the downside of what makes that laptop cheaper becomes totally irrelevant.

Number of bugs and vulnerabilities in W10 is not small. Bigger problem is that you can't no longer join insider program and have Windows for "free" at cost of getting some additional spam and risk that MS sends you update which forces you to reinstall. This means MS is having fewer testers with every passing day.