Smart Lighting Can be Exploited to Access your WIFI network
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fantaskarsef
What a surprise... not. ๐
bemaniac
Good, anyone with a fully smart home needs hacking. I joined the facebook home automation group in my country as a pretend smart device and trolled the group saying I could see what their kids were up to. Went shockingly well actually...............
Inquisitor
This is why we can't have nice things ๐
We have to make sure the security is up to scratch which takes a lot of time, effort and money and is generally always hack-able at some level anyway and we have to do all of this because of ourselves, because of the portion of society that wishes to be evil and try to access these devices in the first place.
RzrTrek
Are regular light bulbs not good enough for people?
Richard Nutman
Backstabak
How is that a surprise ? When the IoT came with the brilliant idea to connect everything to internet from light bulbs through shutters to toilet seat it had to be painfully obvious to anyone that these devices would be cheap and therefore not secure. The guy was just probably really the first one who tried to do something so big.
fantaskarsef
warlord
Get a life. Some gals and guys, are getting so dependent on technology that they forget the simple things of living. It is a disease like narcotic drugs and all day-night gaming.
RealNC
People are too lazy to flip a light switch? Freakin seriously?
gUNN1993
I'm all for the convenience of app controllable things like this (even if they are unnecessary, as is most of the stuff in the world), the problem is having it internet controllable, which seems to give minimal benefit at the expense of massive security gaps. Hell i'd even consider having a second layer of wifi in my home for IOT stuff that doesn't even touch the internet. I guess an intranet of things.
RzrTrek
heffeque
Just a comment/question... as far as I know, the Ikea Tradfri don't have access to your wifi, they only use ZigBee. For access remotely, you access through a device hub that you have to connect to the router through ethernet.
So the "attackable" component would be the hub that's behind the router, which I'd think would be a bit more complicated.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
Administrator
airbud7
I don't always steal my neighbors light bulb
But when I do....I hack it!
schmidtbag
Despite being a robot developer and tech enthusiast, I really hate "technology for the sake of technology".
https://www.amazon.com/Century-Indoor-24-Hour-Mechanical-Outlet/dp/B01LPSGBZS/ref=asc_df_B01LPSGBZS/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167139094796&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15324779755021248620&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001936&hvtargid=pla-307469470485&psc=1
Trust me, you don't need a "smart" system to automatically change your lights...
Security would be effortless to fix if they didn't base these devices on common wireless network technologies. These smart devices are designed so moronically. There is no good reason whatsoever why a light bulb needs bi-directional communication over common wireless protocols like Wifi. Best-case scenario, these smart devices just create unnecessary signal noise on your network. You could easily get something like a 133MHz uni-directional radio to accomplish the exact same goal. Doing this is far more secure, cheaper, easier to engineer, and will actually have a farther operation range. From there, you would only need 1 central hub connected to your router, at which point security is in the network's hands.
In a worst-case scenario for a setup like this, someone gets the same type of radio and figures out the ID of a bulb in your house and turns them off on you. But, the central hub could be built with a receiver, whose only purpose is to detect such interference. So, if for example it senses a signal to turn off your lamps when it thinks they should be on, it will just simply turn them back on within a split second, putting the hacker's efforts to waste. Furthermore, the receiving end could just simply wait 1 full second before committing to a change, which in turn gives the central hub a chance to override a hack before it even takes effect.
This stuff is so simple to engineer and it boggles my mind why nobody manages to figure it out. If I actually had any real interest in this kind of stuff, I'd consider making something like this myself.
Y'know... these things have existed for decades:
Size_Mick
I seem to recall they figured out how to do ethernet through your existing wiring in the home, so in theory they could manufacture devices to take advantage of this, making it more secure and reliable at the same time. Of course, some idiot thought wireless bulbs were a better idea.
JonasBeckman
RamaARG
5G, access doors and everything connected soon, it will be a very very fun period for someone with skills... and also for high-tech thieves
JamesSneed
I like my dumb bulbs even more. We need a stupid bulb appreciation day.
fry178
lol, funny how many ppl try to tell "me" what we need or dont need.
we could all live in caves, which we did for thousands, but we dont.
our cars dont need power windows/mirrors/seats/locks/doors, but they do.
im not to lazy to flip a switch, but able to control stuff without having to be home is helpful.
and i dont care about mechanical timers, as soon as power is out, they dont work properly,
and by the time its a digital one/has power backup, i spend identical money, but still no control unless im home.
i have smart plugs for things like heaters/humidifiers and weather station,
so its nice to be able to switch things on/off, based on conditions in the house,
and not have to wait till i or someone else gets home.
dont live next to anything where ppl would go, and my three neighbours understanding of tech doesnt go past changing the wifi password to a random 15 letter one,
so no problems with any "backdoor" on the software.