I've heard data bit-rots on unpowered SSDs over-time.
Can technically happen to mechanical too (in different ways). I wouldn't leave a drive unpowered for years on end basically. Ideally power on the drive once or twice a year and read through all the sectors in some way.
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The only advantage they still have is price / GB.
Atm, yes. I've got 4x 12TB in RAID10 in my NAS, if I would've bought that in SSD's I would only have 1 kidney now xD
Though once high capacity SSD's become really affordable it's going to be time to switch to 5 & 10 Gbit networks. Until then 2.5 Gbit will suffice for me (just installed it yesterday) as I'm already hitting the HDD read/write speed as a bottleneck on the NAS:
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if they do at current HDD prices that would epic, alot people that buy SSD sata drives will no longer by them, forcing SSD Sata and or Nvme drive prices way down.... probably wishfull thinking
SSD sata or nvme prices are still WAY to high. 4TB HDD for 65$ 4TB of SSD/NVME are beyond 400$ in most cases...
I will NEVER ever do offline backups on a SSD, thank you very much.
my server is the same kind you see in LTT videos it would cost me +-27'000$ in SSDs lol
that said I have ssds with up to 25'607hours never had a problem with them
M.2 nvmes fyi this year I had the second garbled C: drive (1st was in 2020 I believe) because of unstable DDR5 or cpu overclock I crashed too many times and I started having "cannot read files" errors, tried to clone my C:/ and it failed not that the drive has faults, the files are badly written !!! it happened to me twice in less than 5 years, I do not trust M.2 nvmes at all
Corrupt^:
Though once high capacity SSD's become really affordable it's going to be time to switch to 5 & 10 Gbit networks. Until then 2.5 Gbit will suffice for me (just installed it yesterday) as I'm already hitting the HDD read/write speed as a bottleneck on the NAS
I have mostly raid1s 10Gbit is actually useful, with many drives I can transfer to different ones in parallel and often stack 2-3x 200mb/s file transfers, do I need it no do I want things to be done quick and move on to something else, yes
hardware changes didn't do much this month but still
Very interesting, I believe I waited so long for this I totally forgot about it. Nice to see though I was just looking at 18-20TB drive because my 16TB is almost full. This will also be amazing for ppl who have 500 steam games and TB's worth of arcade roms.
I've heard data bit-rots on unpowered SSDs over-time.
But if its a backup drive you are going to back up to it regularly, no? Otherwise whats the point of having a 5yr old backup lol. Cold storage, ye i can see it being an issue.
My last mechanical hdd was a brand new western digital black 8TB a few years ago. When i finished doing a back up of all my huge lifetime pictures taken and videos of family and friends it died two days later with unrecoverable errors and it suddenly just stop working , long story short i lost everything that i backed up on that mechanical hdd within 2 days of installing it on my pc brand new.
Since then i have never bought another mechanical hdd and only SSDs or Nvme's for me from now on , lucky me i have never had an ssd or nvme die on me on many , many years of use. Hence why i do not trust mechanical drives anymore. I'll pass on this aberration of hybrid's hdd new generation and now on this dual actuator on them = twice the chance of failing 😛
My last mechanical hdd was a brand new western digital black 8TB a few years ago. When i finished doing a back up of all my huge lifetime pictures taken and videos of family and friends it died two days later with unrecoverable errors and it suddenly just stop working , long story short i lost everything that i backed up on that mechanical hdd within 2 days of installing it on my pc brand new.
Since then i have never bought another mechanical hdd and only SSDs or Nvme's for me from now on , lucky me i have never had an ssd or nvme die on me on many , many years of use. Hence why i do not trust mechanical drives anymore. I'll pass on this aberration of hybrid's hdd new generation and now on this dual actuator on them = twice the chance of failing 😛
This is why the only drives I have bought in the last 8+ years have been HGST NAS/Helium Enterprise or the newer Western Digital Helium Enterprise drives.
More robust.
Only problem was about 5 years ago when my watercooler sprung a leak causing the CPU to overheat and crash.
This ruined the FAT on a then 2yr old 4TB drive (HGST NAS) needing a full recovery, was quite a pita.
That now over 7 year old drive continued working great and still works flawlessly today in my 3090 gaming machine.
The fault wasn't the drive but the CPU locking up at an unfortunate moment. The CPU also still works great, am typing this post from it 🙂
I've never had to retire an HGST drive due to failure, only because they became too small.
2x 1TB drives with a stupid number of hours on the clock after running 24/7 for years have been trusted with cold storage for 4 years so far with no problem.
My 5 larger HGST drives are still in service including a 10 year old 4TB USB drive.
Sadly HGST are no more but luckily WD bought them and their Enterprise Helium drives have proven to be just as reliable which is why I bought an 18TB.
fyi
This is why the only drives I have bought in the last 8+ years have been HGST NAS/Helium Enterprise or the newer Western Digital Helium Enterprise drives.
More robust.
Only problem was about 5 years ago when my watercooler sprung a leak causing the CPU to overheat and crash.
This ruined the FAT on a then 2yr old 4TB drive (HGST NAS) needing a full recovery, was quite a pita.
That now over 7 year old drive continued working great and still works flawlessly today in my 3090 gaming machine.
The fault wasn't the drive but the CPU locking up at an unfortunate moment. The CPU also still works great, am typing this post from it 🙂
I've never had to retire an HGST drive due to failure, only because they became too small.
2x 1TB drives with a stupid number of hours on the clock after running 24/7 for years have been trusted with cold storage for 4 years so far with no problem.
My 5 larger HGST drives are still in service including a 10 year old 4TB USB drive.
Sadly HGST are no more but luckily WD bought them and their Enterprise Helium drives have proven to be just as reliable which is why I bought an 18TB.
fyi
Good grief that's why im sticking with air even though aios perform better
Sadly HGST are no more but luckily WD bought them and their Enterprise Helium drives have proven to be just as reliable which is why I bought an 18TB.
fyi
Are they the DC HC5XX series of HDD?
I am participating in a group buy for high capacity drives on a bargain hunting site here in Australia and I was planning to pick up the Seagate EXOS X18 16TB for USD192 but there is option for the WD HC550 for USD260.
Are they the DC HC5XX series of HDD?
I am participating in a group buy for high capacity drives on a bargain hunting site here in Australia and I was planning to pick up the Seagate EXOS X18 16TB for USD192 but there is option for the WD HC550 for USD260.
Yep, HC550 WUH721818ALE6L4 HE18.
For sure get a HC550 drive, they run cool + quiet.
Good grief that's why im sticking with air even though aios perform better
lol, an aio wouldn't have leaked, this was a custom loop where an overtightened circlip bit into the pipe.
I've had a 420mm Arctic Liquid Freezer II aio on my 10700K for almost 2yrs without a problem. Its a pretty damn good cooler!
Well at least it has huge cache headroom cause qlc alone reads/writes very,very slow
Yes that's the limitation of this drive, however this is never a problem in day to day use. 4TB and 8TB models have a cache of 87GB I think, and how often do you write 87GB at a time? Personally I don't think I ever observed this limitation, I just know at the back of my head that it's there. And of course this doesn't affect read spreads whatsoever. So yeah, this drive is cheap for a reason, but you still get all SSD benefits like amazing access times, which is the most important. Also, 8TB model has insane write durability. I calculated that it would last me 500 years of wiring at current pace to use it up lol (~6TB/year) Basically, this SSD, even with that QLC limitation, is like 100x better than having crappy HDD rust bucket 😀
Feels like HDD tech is on life support now. The only advantage they still have is price / GB. I've been using 8TB SATA SSD as a storage drive for a while and it's been a revelation. It can also double down as a Steam library drive if my main NMVe one is getting full. Surprisingly I found that there is very little difference for gaming between 980 Pro and 870 QVO.
it does have some advantages, mainly magnetic storage appears that it will continue to scale for a long time (beyond 100tb per drive), where as nandflash doesn't shrink well, hence the die stacking, and increasing the number of bits per cell, despite loss of performance ,data integrity and endurance.
Its possible if not likely that nand will hit a development wall before spinning rust, may already be seeing this in effect since most modern ssds use an SLC cache + dram cache to compensate for the loss of performance and endurance of tlc and qlc memory, and without a serious breakthrough it will continue to get worse if they increase the number of bits per cell , since you can only add so many layers before cost starts to increase prohibitively.
it does have some advantages, mainly magnetic storage appears that it will continue to scale for a long time (beyond 100tb per drive), where as nandflash doesn't shrink well, hence the die stacking, and increasing the number of bits per cell, despite loss of performance ,data integrity and endurance.
Its possible if not likely that nand will hit a development wall before spinning rust, may already be seeing this in effect since most modern ssds use an SLC cache + dram cache to compensate for the loss of performance and endurance of tlc and qlc memory, and without a serious breakthrough it will continue to get worse if they increase the number of bits per cell , since you can only add so many layers before cost starts to increase prohibitively.
hardware changes didn't do much this month but still