That's total b... And you know it. Before I got SGS6e, I checked friend's S4 and where was no burn-in at all. Only possibility is that static image leaves its ghost for few seconds, if it was displayed for hours. But not even that did ever happen to me or people I know who have OLED variations. Blue degrades, on phone it is not that big problem. Because one does not use it intensively for several years. But it sure is problem for monitors/TVs. As owners expect them to last 5~10 years.

The display units get burn in because they are on 24/7 at full screen brightness. I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus that has burn in where the status bar is, but I've had the phone for nearly 5 years now. My S4/6P are both AMOLED and have had no issues. http://i.imgur.com/sKoQRsX.jpg That's a picture I took of an S6 Edge in October of last year. That's six months after release. Regardless, my point wasn't that phones are unusable due to burn in, my point is that burn-in is still a problem with OLED devices. And until a manufacturer comes out and says either "this is fixed" or "we guarantee no burn-in for 6 years" I don't think I'm willing to commit $3000 to that product.

You can try reading the rest of the comment, where I explain what I mean. Yes the image quality of a stationary picture is better on OLED. Obviously contrast is higher -- colors pop more, but that's mostly because they are over-saturated. Calibrate both a Samsung/LG OLED with Spyder/Colorimeter of your choice and AgryllCMS and the colors are very similar.

I have an i1d3 and a i1pro, with Calman enthusiast. I know plenty about television calibration. (no one uses a spyder fyi, they are trash). That color "pop" comes from the contrast. The colors are not oversaturated on OLED, the lower intensity colors on LCD's are undersaturated because of poor black levels. Every single review you read on the internet is based upon a calibrated display. OLED is not inherently over-saturated. You are just someone who vaguely knows something about televisions/calibration trying to act like the resident expert (IE no one uses a Spyder to calibrate anything, and ArgyllCMS has long been the backend of DispcalGUI which is what everyone uses these days).

Watch a football game on it though -- the image ghosts. I haven't seen the 2016 LG OLEDs, but the 2015 was terrible

That is not ghosting. OLEDs have CRT level pixel response times. What you are witnessing is the product of LG's poor image processing. They use a sample and hold technique which confuses your brain on moving images. The solution would be black-frame insertion, but they have yet to implement it. Like I said in my first post, it has nothing to do with OLED, and everything to do with LG having poor image processing.

(I was going to buy one). Peak brightness is better on the Samsung and makes it more suitable for brighter rooms.

Even the 2015 OLEDS could do 400 nits. This is searing bright, and not something that any LCD prior to last years LCD sets were even capable of. The 2016 OLEDs can do 600+ nits, which is brighter than any 2015 Samsung save for the JS9500 which could only get marginally brighter.

Dark gray has Mura issues on the OLEDs as well. Grayscale uniformity is still a hit or miss on the edges (Samsung has this problem too with some sets)

This is the main issue with them currently. however, every LCD has poor screen uniformity unless they are back-lit/FALD. Grey uniformity on any LCD is generally mediocre at best.

and ABL constantly changes the brightness when watching stuff based on the content in order to avoid burn-in.

You have not witnessed one in person if this is your description of it. ABL kicks in as the APL nears 100%, it is not "constantly changing brightness". The vast majority of content is lower than 50% APL, and most significantly lower (movies average in the 15%-20% range). It will curb it some if you put a full white field on the screen, as do LCD's. (look at brightness measurements on rtings at different window sizes if you don't believe me)

And yet there are still users reporting burn-in. So it's not a solved issue.

I didn't say it was a solved issue, I said that it is currently not really that bad, and is related to blue sub-pixels aging more quickly than the reds and greens, which makes it a solvable issue. We're about to start seeing laptops and monitors with OLED, which means manufacturers are making improvements. It was already better than the best plasma's from day one, and late model plasma's didn't have serious burn-in issues.

Like yeah, OLED TV's are pretty good -- but they aren't $1500 better than Samsung equivalents. Couple that with the higher manufacturing cost and Samsung's inability to get the WOLED patent -- it makes sense to me for Samsung to stick with what it's doing.

If you watch content in a dark room, they are absolutely 1500 dollars better than Samsung equivilents

The display units get burn in because they are on 24/7 at full screen brightness. I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus that has burn in where the status bar is, but I've had the phone for nearly 5 years now. My S4/6P are both AMOLED and have had no issues. http://i.imgur.com/sKoQRsX.jpg That's a picture I took of an S6 Edge in October of last year. That's six months after release. Regardless, my point wasn't that phones are unusable due to burn in, my point is that burn-in is still a problem with OLED devices. And until a manufacturer comes out and says either "this is fixed" or "we guarantee no burn-in for 6 years" I don't think I'm willing to commit $3000 to that product.

For me, biggest problem with amOLED screens is, that they are slow to light up and turn off light (go black again). When I use gearVR, screen shows how slow it is by objects having trails. Btw, that photo of burn-in, I saw better looking industrial plasma TVs which were running 24/7 showing same stuff for 10 years. That S6e shows at least 5 distinctive patterns, that's quite some abuse for only few months.

I have an i1d3 and a i1pro, with Calman enthusiast. I know plenty about television calibration. (no one uses a spyder fyi, they are trash). That color "pop" comes from the contrast. The colors are not oversaturated on OLED, the lower intensity colors on LCD's are undersaturated because of poor black levels. Every single review you read on the internet is based upon a calibrated display. OLED is not inherently over-saturated. You are just someone who vaguely knows something about televisions/calibration trying to act like the resident expert (IE no one uses a Spyder to calibrate anything, and ArgyllCMS has long been the backend of DispcalGUI which is what everyone uses these days). That is not ghosting. OLEDs have CRT level pixel response times. What you are witnessing is the product of LG's poor image processing. They use a sample and hold technique which confuses your brain on moving images. The solution would be black-frame insertion, but they have yet to implement it. Like I said in my first post, it has nothing to do with OLED, and everything to do with LG having poor image processing. Even the 2015 OLEDS could do 400 nits. This is searing bright, and not something that any LCD prior to last years LCD sets were even capable of. The 2016 OLEDs can do 600+ nits, which is brighter than any 2015 Samsung save for the JS9500 which could only get marginally brighter. This is the main issue with them currently. however, every LCD has poor screen uniformity unless they are back-lit/FALD. Grey uniformity on any LCD is generally mediocre at best. You have not witnessed one in person if this is your description of it. ABL kicks in as the APL nears 100%, it is not "constantly changing brightness". The vast majority of content is lower than 50% APL, and most significantly lower (movies average in the 15%-20% range). It will curb it some if you put a full white field on the screen, as do LCD's. (look at brightness measurements on rtings at different window sizes if you don't believe me) I didn't say it was a solved issue, I said that it is currently not really that bad, and is related to blue sub-pixels aging more quickly than the reds and greens, which makes it a solvable issue. We're about to start seeing laptops and monitors with OLED, which means manufacturers are making improvements. It was already better than the best plasma's from day one, and late model plasma's didn't have serious burn-in issues. If you watch content in a dark room, they are absolutely 1500 dollars better than Samsung equivilents

I said Spyder because I own a Spyder from long time ago and it just happens to be the device I use to calibrate with. And I know what DispCAL is. Rtings show pre and post calibrated results for their reviews. The precalibrated results for LG's OLED TV's are definitely over-saturated. And yes, I know that contrast boosts the perceived saturation values of colors. My knowledge of OLED's come from last years models, which at 50% ABL had a brightness of 250 -- my 8500 is 365 by comparison. I don't pretend to be a resident expert, but I do think I know a little bit more then the average person, who just comes in here and says "I want a OLED Monitor" not knowing anything about the drawbacks of OLED, especially with static images. And I still disagree that it's $1500 better then Samsung's TV's. But then I use my TV as a fourth monitor and I use it for gaming and not just movies. Last year when I was looking, I didn't think the cost difference was worth it -- especially with the idea that I leave my desktop up on it and it's more prone to burning in. If you claim LG is making big improvements, then yeah, maybe I'll re-evaluate my opinion. Regardless, one of the biggest reasons why LG is able to pull off it's OLED feats is due to the white OLED, which is a Kodak patent they own. So I still stand by my original argument that I agree with Samsung, it's not worth them pursuing, especially if they feel they can continue to improve on LCD while keeping the cost significantly lower then OLED equivalents.

I had a feeling oled wasn't going to take off its only been what 10 years since they where first shown and to this day are still not feasible.

I had a feeling oled wasn't going to take off its only been what 10 years since they where first shown and to this day are still not feasible.

Over 15 years. I remember writing tech research paper on it. But it hardly matters. Back then It looked like 5 years for it to be main thing. But in that time there were only MP3 players with simplest of displays. As long as Samsung keeps phone screens, it will continue research, but they simply do not see large screen manufacturing as feasible.

I mean it's obviously improved significantly in the last few years. Look at a Galaxy S2 screen compared to a Galaxy S7 screen, in terms of brightness, color accuracy, power efficiency, resolution, etc. Yeah, Pentile, but whatever, it's all like 10x better. With VR it will probably improve even further and I expect we will see someone make a break through in terms of longevity soon enough. I personally love OLED screens on my phones. I just don't think the cost/cons is worth the benefit on TVs, especially for my particular use case.

Remembering from a PBS show on OLED and the future from a few years ago, waiting on OLED based paint. The thought being that one could change the colors of what ever was painted with the stuff at will. This and then being able to have the ability to have it as a display as well (making current thought on monitors obsolete). That is the tech I want to see come to be. Samsung may see this coming so their assessment could be correct...no future in it. Question is how long is that wait going to be? EDIT: This article is from six years ago. DuPont went nowhere with it? http://www.tomsguide.com/us/OLED-Printing-Display-dupont-HDTV,news-6818.html Article is from 11 years ago...guess it was a bust. Damn.... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329140351.htm

Dell has built an OLED panel with killer specs & a killer pice tag of 5k.

>< the Oled wait continues? Does this mean Samsung is gona go quantum dot technology on all the TV's or just there "S" series? Less the fiqure out how to stop motion blur to the point of were it MATCHES CRT's with out using the fake hz ****, I still want OLED's

LG's 2016 OLED TVs are actually friggin' great. Don't know what people are complaining about. Read the conclusion if you're a TLDR; kind'a guy: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55e6-201604274285.htm

LG's 2016 OLED TVs are actually friggin' great. Don't know what people are complaining about. Read the conclusion if you're a TLDR; kind'a guy: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55e6-201604274285.htm

The prices and the fact there all huge tv there are no sub 50in that i aware of

I have the LG 55EA8800 OLED, and all I will say is that I would take it over any LCD any day. Had it Professionally calibrated. Picture quality is stunning. I also have a LG 55LE8500 which was top of the line back in its day and had Full Array Backlit. My OLED blows it away.

Damn, I guess this means my next monitor will still be an LCD...

man I'm just so tired of LCD, and they just keep milking it with new brand names and crap, every time I look at my phone with my monitor or tv behind I just wanna throw that grey thing away and put like 6 oled tablets in eyefinity instead lol burn-in seems to be no problem unless you have retarded software, so I don't see that as an excuse, just look at lumias and their glance feature, I've yet to find any burn in with it running 24-7, the w10 taskbar could do some color shifting from time to time to avoid burn ins too

I said Spyder because I own a Spyder from long time ago and it just happens to be the device I use to calibrate with. And I know what DispCAL is. Rtings show pre and post calibrated results for their reviews. The precalibrated results for LG's OLED TV's are definitely over-saturated. And yes, I know that contrast boosts the perceived saturation values of colors. My knowledge of OLED's come from last years models, which at 50% ABL had a brightness of 250 -- my 8500 is 365 by comparison. I don't pretend to be a resident expert, but I do think I know a little bit more then the average person, who just comes in here and says "I want a OLED Monitor" not knowing anything about the drawbacks of OLED, especially with static images.

250 nits is 2.5x higher than what a calibration targets and is still as bright or brighter than 95% of LCD's that have been made. It does not have issues in a bright room unless you have a flood light pointed at it. Also, when youre 8500 is set to a backlight level that actually does 365 nits, your blacks at at more 1/10th of a nit. I'll take 250 nits with excellent blacks anyday, dark room or not. Also, rtings posts pre-calibration and post calibration reports. And guess what? the 2015 OLED's weren't oversaturated in either case, and were actually under a dE of 3 even prior to calibration. http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500 Stop spreading misinformation. We know you like your Samsung LCD, but pretending like it's even in the same league as an OLED is a total joke.

I love OLED. When I demo a unit at a shop against LCD, it simply blows everything else away and I get that inch to dip into the emergency fund for a curved 4k screen! 😀 Even if consumers says there is burning within 5 years, I think it is still worth it. I have my PC hooked up to my 8 year old HD LCD TV and use it everyday. It now has a screen issue with backlighting thanks to kids tossing all kinds of objects at it but even if I had OLED, I would enjoy every second of a glorious panel vs one that lasts longer but does not look as good. I personally do NOT watch TV. I watch movies, game and use my TV as a monitor so perhaps I am in a different market segment. Same for kids. Stream cartoons since we do have to pay for cartoon network here which costs more for that channel than internet access! Could really care less how the quality of how NEWS looks on OLED vs LCD since we mostly listen to it. If I want QHD, I just stream that video off the internet instead. If we wanted in depth stories, we read books instead since today's media is mainly propaganda and trash news. Kids do their homework on my game PC and use the big old HDTV as their monitor. Less eyestrain just based on size alone and when they draw, I rather have them do their art homework on beautiful screen they would enjoy vs a lower price one. They do photo searches to put together stories so it would even look better on OLED with QHD content. That little artist in training enjoys their work more on a capable device. I am super tight on money - low income, family, but as something that I and family would use everyday, I feel a superior quality TV would be worth it in the long run. Games would look brilliant and my kids thinks they are watching a movie ... horror movie with all the guns blazing and guts flying out. 😀 No one I know says they enjoy lower quality due to pricing after they have made a purchase. They would complain it didn't work or not meet exceptions more than price. Not saying the Samsungs are bad. My family members owns 3 but when I see the LG OLED next to any Samsung, it really looks a level better. I need to win the lottery for one or keep saving.

250 nits is 2.5x higher than what a calibration targets and is still as bright or brighter than 95% of LCD's that have been made. It does not have issues in a bright room unless you have a flood light pointed at it. Also, when youre 8500 is set to a backlight level that actually does 365 nits, your blacks at at more 1/10th of a nit. I'll take 250 nits with excellent blacks anyday, dark room or not. Also, rtings posts pre-calibration and post calibration reports. And guess what? the 2015 OLED's weren't oversaturated in either case, and were actually under a dE of 3 even prior to calibration. http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500 Stop spreading misinformation. We know you like your Samsung LCD, but pretending like it's even in the same league as an OLED is a total joke.

I actually don't like my Samsung. I hate the silver bezel, I hate the software, and I have slight clouding in the lower left corner. That being said, I still think it's better than the LG OLED I looked at, for the reasons I mentioned. It's just an opinion man, you don't gotta get all bent over it.

Even on phones it is very common to see panel uniformity issue, the vast majority if units ive seen from S2 all the way to the current S7 have uniformity issues. May it be retail or demo units.

I had to go through two N6P's until I found one that didn't have green/pink hue to it. The tolerances on the Samsung units seem to be a little more strict, I guess they sell their lower level panels to other OEMs. But yeah, I still see mura/uniformity issues in current gen amoled panels, it's not as bad as it used to be though.

I don't believe these story's , when Samsung and LG where throwing law suits at each other back in 2013 over LCD and OLED patents, Samsung all of a sudden stopped large screen OLED production. Samsung is not the kind of company to hold off on alternate models of technology. Anything that can make a profit. It's a fact that if Samsung was selling OLED tv's that would be making a profit on that division. This is all down to patents and Samsung not wanting to pay loyalties, much bigger story at play behind the scenes as to why Samsung pulled its OLED tv's from the market. OLED has its issues yes, but it is the future. Don't expect to hear the truth from a company like Samsung http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-says-white-oled-gives-it-ten-years-on-tv-competition

I have the LG 55EA8800 OLED, and all I will say is that I would take it over any LCD any day. Had it Professionally calibrated. Picture quality is stunning. I also have a LG 55LE8500 which was top of the line back in its day and had Full Array Backlit. My OLED blows it away.

That's 6 years old 1080p TV (original MSRP $2700). How can that compete with TV with original MSRP $8500? LG had that 85" 4k OLED at $17000 MSRP. That kind of investment... You can as well build yourself Ultra-Wide Projector room with six 1080p projectors doing 6480x1920 pixels at fraction of those sums. Or 360° projection room at some crazy high resolution. Proper questions for competition are: What's best non-OLED TV in price of OLED TV? What percentage of TVs are sold in price range of OLEDs? LG's 55EG910V goes for ~$2000, it is 1080p at 55". At that price you can have 4k passive 3D, 1800Hz interpolation and all stuff that OLED has + 65".

Sounds like we a plum screwed. LCD technology really hasn't improved all that much either. They keep adding gimmicks and features to make it seem better or new. Pushing new things to try and reinvigorate sales of TV sets (4K, HDR).