cucaulay malkin:

raptor lake is gonna be useable with z/b 6xx boards and ddr4 unlike zen4 if you want to pay 360eur for a 32g kit then go ahead absolutely even a 11400,unlocked,with decent memory,will pump out a ludicrous amount of fps anything faster and you're just treating yourself

If you want best of the best , always ( almost always as 9-11th gen Intel....) new platform will give you better performance. Doesn't mean it makes any sense economically speaking. For me personally its not a problem of money, i could go and buy 5950X now ,but i prefer to have my PC suited for my needs, that is gaming right now , and i like to get a good deal performance/$ speaking. I'm sure second generation of AM5 and Intel (raptor ? ) will be much more appealing than first gen of DDR5. Right now best DDR4 vs best DDR5 is not big difference , not even in high fps titles i dont even care about ( what's the difference if i have 150fps+ ?). Conclusion : There is no BAD time to upgrade CPU if there is good deal on the market , and right now there is 🙂

With the latest AGESA 1.2.0.6 , on any 5900/5950 stepping, when setting EDC higher than 140 the max cpu vid is automatically set to 1.425v instead of the usual 1.5v . This may be somehow related to Shamino observing less power consumption and cooler temperatures on that cpu sample.

Kelutrel:

With the latest AGESA 1.2.0.6 , on any 5900/5950 stepping, when setting EDC higher than 140 the max cpu vid is automatically set to 1.425v instead of the usual 1.5v . This may be somehow related to Shamino observing less power consumption and cooler temperatures on that cpu sample.

exactly, my friend have one 5900x b2 using in mobo asus tuf x570 plus, and i have one 5900x b0 using in asus tuf b550 plus, both with same agesa 1.2.0.3c bios, and have similar temperatures, similar performance, but my model b0 can manage 1900mhz on IF stable, and even 1933mhz with voltage increased, i can boot with 1966mhz/2000/2033 too but not stable, on b2 my friend only have stable 1833mhz on if, anything higher the system can´t even boot, don´t cares if increase voltages or something

Guess its time to step up to a 5900x b2 from my 5600x.

Agonist:

Guess its time to step up to a 5900x b2 from my 5600x.

Unless you really need the cores for work, you won't notice a difference on everyday use.

Undying:

Zen4 will smoke ddr4/alder lake and zen3 not ddr5/alder lake which makes early adoption make sense. Just look at first ddr4 haswell-e 5820k still a viable platform while 4770k is totaly outdated.

Synthetic benchmarks or real day to day usage? Just look at how long it took for DDR4 to really smoke DDR3. 4770k still goes strong with older GPU's, so it's not completely outdated either.

Agonist:

Guess its time to step up to a 5900x b2 from my 5600x.

you would be better with 5800X , unless you do some "work" on extra cores 🙂

Undying:

There is no point buying any of those when 7800x/ddr5 is on the horizon.

Not really dropping a 5800 on my system for about 330 to replace my 1600 and i might be tempted to skip am5 all together . Mind you i am a 60fps pleb where my 1600 still provides , that said is not that my current 1060 can do more 😛 , sacrificing quality to reach 60 is often nowdays , but i am holding the line not paying current gpu prices ! Also the 4770k can feed a 3060 no problem, and if there was a 6 core imaginary 4870k it would have been still awesome ,the i5 4 core chips are the ones that are on dire-ish state since the lack of 4 extra threads really hurt em.

Silva:

Unless you really need the cores for work, you won't notice a difference on everyday use.

I do want the extra cores. Im prolly selling my threadripper and using my gaming rig for more then gaming. I plan on keeping my x570 rig for a few years. 32gb DDR4 3600 is more then enough too. Dont care about DDR5 right now.

Crazy Joe:

Some of us don't directly jump on the latest and greatest, while it still makes financial sense to keep some of the hardware we have in use. For my Ryzen 7 3800X system it would make economical sense to eek out a few more years by upgrading to a Ryzen 5000 series processor. It would save me the cost of a new motherboard and RAM.

I am thinking about jumping up from a 1700 or wait for a AM5 8 core. I am on the fence about a 3800xt and 5800x, there is around 5-15% difference in gaming between them, and the 3800xt has oddly enough been cheeper then a 3700x in one store. For 100€ between the 3800xt and the 5800x I do not think it is worth it to upgrade, unless you are more lucky with the buy/sell prices then I am. If jumping to a 12-16 core CPU for workstation stuff, then a upgrade makes perfect sense though.

TLD LARS:

I am thinking about jumping up from a 1700 or wait for a AM5 8 core. I am on the fence about a 3800xt and 5800x, there is around 5-15% difference in gaming between them, and the 3800xt has oddly enough been cheeper then a 3700x in one store. For 100€ between the 3800xt and the 5800x I do not think it is worth it to upgrade, unless you are more lucky with the buy/sell prices then I am. If jumping to a 12-16 core CPU for workstation stuff, then a upgrade makes perfect sense though.

5800x. Just skip 3800x. Be a much bigger jump going 5800x over 3800x from what you have now.

Pretty major improvements for just improving manufacturing, but for an average user at stock settings they are not impactful. For the higher end chips temperature advantage is now even more pronounced against Intel offerings. I'd like to see improvements like these in the future as well for CPUs and GPUs, no matter if I get the better variant or not. As long as the initial product is good, improvements work as nice bonuses for lucky customers. 🙂

cucaulay malkin:

raptor lake is gonna be useable with z/b 6xx boards and ddr4 unlike zen4

You have no idea what raptor lake will require. Will it be on 6xx? Maybe, does that mean it'll be able to be on DDR4 boards? We dont know, not likely, traditionaly in the past when there have been transitions, there have been one generation of CPUs that support both the old and the new, or have CPUs in the same generation that support one or the other. Not two. So there is no reason to expect raptor lake will support DDR4, even if the same socket is used and works on the same chipset. Remember, the memory controller is built onto the CPU, there is no real requirement for then to add additional cost to raptor lake when they will be able to charge the same or more, with less cost, without ddr4 support. As to the rest of everything you have been....spewing, for lack of a better word, in this forum: if AMDs 15% increase with 3D cache on the 5000 series is to be believed, that would put it above raptor lake. Then combined with the zen 4 improvements beyond 3D cache, the node size decrease, and how much faster DDR5 may or may not improve IPC on zen (we know zen loves ram speed), there is zero reason to expect zen 4 will not out perform alder lake. Who knows about raptor lake, but alder lake, yes, its fair to expect if 5000 with 3d cache performs better then alder lake, or even similarly, heck even a little less, that zen4 would definitely beat it. ....i feel that is a pretty easy thing to deduce from a non-picking-a-side logical expectation. So the fact you are so gung-ho about alderlake and raptor lake with the expectations that are out there and the information we have, is just showing your bias, and it literally means nothing. You are starting to remind me of someone who was banned with the way you are talking, hmmmmmmm......

Aura89:

Will it be on 6xx?

Yes, the socket has unused pins that are intended for Raptor.

Astyanax:

Yes, the socket has unused pins that are intended for Raptor.

Unless there is concrete information from intel that raptor lake will use the same socket, then i see that information as, still, a potential not a guarantee. And lets say it uses the same socket, great, that doesnt mean it will be able to be used on 6xx, either because intel decided not to allow it (they have done this many times, no surprise here) or because the motherboards did not actually wire up the unused pins due to alder lake not using them. Point of the matter is: unless intel has said something very specific, and feel free to say they have as i havnt kept up majorly, then anything we say about raptor lake is just potentials, nothing factual.

Aura89:

You have no idea what raptor lake will require. Will it be on 6xx? Maybe, does that mean it'll be able to be on DDR4 boards? We dont know, not likely, traditionaly in the past when there have been transitions, there have been one generation of CPUs that support both the old and the new, or have CPUs in the same generation that support one or the other. Not two. So there is no reason to expect raptor lake will support DDR4, even if the same socket is used and works on the same chipset. Remember, the memory controller is built onto the CPU, there is no real requirement for then to add additional cost to raptor lake when they will be able to charge the same or more, with less cost, without ddr4 support. As to the rest of everything you have been....spewing, for lack of a better word, in this forum: if AMDs 15% increase with 3D cache on the 5000 series is to be believed, that would put it above raptor lake. Then combined with the zen 4 improvements beyond 3D cache, the node size decrease, and how much faster DDR5 may or may not improve IPC on zen (we know zen loves ram speed), there is zero reason to expect zen 4 will not out perform alder lake. Who knows about raptor lake, but alder lake, yes, its fair to expect if 5000 with 3d cache performs better then alder lake, or even similarly, heck even a little less, that zen4 would definitely beat it. ....i feel that is a pretty easy thing to deduce from a non-picking-a-side logical expectation. So the fact you are so gung-ho about alderlake and raptor lake with the expectations that are out there and the information we have, is just showing your bias, and it literally means nothing. You are starting to remind me of someone who was banned with the way you are talking, hmmmmmmm......

Ban me for expecting the obvious,lol. Take a look at what I responded to in the first place.zen4 "smoking" alder lake is a mirage at this point given the performance and pricing. https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i3-12100f/images/relative-performance-games-2560-1440.png What factual information have you provided ? lol

cucaulay malkin:

Ban me for expecting the obvious,lol. Take a look at what I responded to in the first place.zen4 "smoking" alder lake is a mirage at this point given the performance and pricing. https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i3-12100f/images/relative-performance-games-2560-1440.png What factual information have you provided ? lol

The chart is good , means anything you buy is good , i'd get the CHEAPEST 6 core 😀

That must hurt tho :

kapu:

The chart is good , means anything you buy is good , i'd get the CHEAPEST 6 core 😀

exactly. even an adl-s i3 has great performance,and that's at 100eur,slightly more. zen4 "smoking" this is a pretty insane claim,given the cost. 12400+32g 4000 c18 ddr4 amount to ~350eur altogether.add a b660 board and you're getting absolutely great performance for the money,and a good platform for new pcie and next gen raptor lake.all around 500eur for the whole cpu+mobo+ram.now see how much you have top spend on a ddr5 kit of the same performance.As much as 12400 and ddr4 altogether. so yeah, let's take a 1000eur platform of the future and compare it 🙄 zen4 isn't even supposed to go against alder lake.

kapu:

That must hurt tho :

I think you missed the one below 10900K 😛

cucaulay malkin:

I think you missed the one below 10900K 😛

Nah, i got good deal,dont regret one euro/pln spent on 5600X and i got +10% on OC ( FCLK 1900, 3800CL15 mem, 4.9ghz boost ). 10900/11900k was always bad deal. 5600X now is not a good deal , year ago was different situation. I still think i made good decsion with AM4 back then. ($/performance+futurewise).