Rumor: Massive Cache Size Increase for Intel Raptor Lake Processors

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cucaulay malkin

2022-01-17 09:18

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

In consonance with what AMD is doing with the pending Ryzen 7 5800X3D

the cache bridgeth the gap,the cache taketh it away.

#5983502

Dragam1337

2022-01-17 09:34

With a large amount of it wasted on those E-waste cores...

#5983815

PrMinisterGR

2022-01-17 22:44

Dragam1337:

With a large amount of it wasted on those E-waste cores...

No. Unlike us, the people designing these are not idiots.

#5983817

Undying

2022-01-17 22:47

So they are going amd route.

#5983825

Dragam1337

2022-01-17 23:04

PrMinisterGR:

No. Unlike us, the people designing these are not idiots.

We have already been over this extensively... it's a chip design meant for mobile platforms, forced on desktop... it is not preferable for a gaming desktop pc in any possible way.

#5983895

Neo Cyrus

2022-01-18 05:29

mursalin:

existing on this forum doesn't fix the issue of being senseless .

The E-Cores have been thoroughly shown by multiple reputable sources as being worthless, or even a detriment, in anything outside of heavily multi-threaded workloads that aren't latency sensitive. In games they're complete trash. HUB demonstrated that it's the cache difference alone that makes the higher model Alder Lake processors perform better.

#5983901

PrMinisterGR

2022-01-18 05:48

Neo Cyrus:

The E-Cores have been thoroughly shown by multiple reputable sources as being worthless, or even a detriment, in anything outside of heavily multi-threaded workloads that aren't latency sensitive. In games they're complete trash. HUB demonstrated that it's the cache difference alone that makes the higher model Alder Lake processors perform better.

Seems to be really hard to grasp that the lower the power of the cores that your application is not using, the higher the power of the cores it is using.

#5983910

Agent-A01

2022-01-18 07:07

Neo Cyrus:

The E-Cores have been thoroughly shown by multiple reputable sources as being worthless, or even a detriment, in anything outside of heavily multi-threaded workloads that aren't latency sensitive. In games they're complete trash. HUB demonstrated that it's the cache difference alone that makes the higher model Alder Lake processors perform better.

It's simple. Don't use Ecores for gaming. Problem solved.

#5983911

Neo Cyrus

2022-01-18 07:08

PrMinisterGR:

Seems to be really hard to grasp that the lower the power of the cores that your application is not using, the higher the power of the cores it is using.

What makes you think anyone doesn't know that, or that it's always technically correct? It's irrelevant to what I said either way, what I said is correct regardless of how you want to spin it.

Agent-A01:

It's simple. Don't use Ecores for gaming. Problem solved.

The problem is that it's a waste of silicon in a desktop environment, save for very niche cases. I'd hardly call that solved.

#5983915

Agent-A01

2022-01-18 07:26

Neo Cyrus:

The problem is that it's a waste of silicon in a desktop environment, save for very niche cases. I'd hardly call that solved.

That's not true at all. The desktop environment is not comprised of only gamers. In fact gamers are a small subset of desktop users. Exactly how did you come to such a ridiculous conclusion?

#5983956

kapu

2022-01-18 11:21

Zen4 vs Raptor gona be nice battle .

#5984013

PrMinisterGR

2022-01-18 14:36

Neo Cyrus:

What makes you think anyone doesn't know that, or that it's always technically correct? It's irrelevant to what I said either way, what I said is correct regardless of how you want to spin it. The problem is that it's a waste of silicon in a desktop environment, save for very niche cases. I'd hardly call that solved.

How is having more power envelope available for the cores working on your foreground application, a niche case?

#5985201

sighunter

2022-01-20 17:13

PrMinisterGR:

How is having more power envelope available for the cores working on your foreground application, a niche case?

If the use-case of the slower cores would be for background applications, 2 would have been enough.

#5985205

tsunami231

2022-01-20 17:34

Agent-A01:

The desktop environment is not comprised of only gamers. In fact gamers are a small subset of desktop users. Exactly how did you come to such a ridiculous conclusion?

That is like saying The desktop environment is not comprised of only Overclockers. In fact Overclockers are a small subset of desktop users. Exactly how did you come to such a ridiculous conclusion? Most People think both are true here... not all though I welcome the E-Cores for lite work like web browsing and what not, but as of now there P/E core cpu use MORE power then normal CPU in idle last i looked anyway. IF there E-core can run the OS functions will P-cores run the my game or what ever I doing that would be great. right now it remains to been seen what happens going forward but e/p core is promising on desktop if done right If people dont want e-core turn the freaking thing thing off like HT people went on how they hamper performance and said better to turn em off, so turn it off.

#5985208

Noisiv

2022-01-20 17:38

PrMinisterGR:

How is having more power envelope available for the cores working on your foreground application, a niche case?

armchair generals got nothing on armchair engineers just unload them in Taiwan, Israel, Ireland whatever; give them unlimited resources, contracts and contacts, and they'll build you a fire! sht you not 😀

#5985380

PrMinisterGR

2022-01-21 02:23

sighunter:

If the use-case of the slower cores would be for background applications, 2 would have been enough.

They're not enough even for phone these days, most have at least four low power cores.