Rumor: AMD gets priority advantage to Hynix HBM2

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#5122540
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So what happens when AMD hoards a lot of these HBM chips and no one buys their own cards? Won't they be left with a huge stockpile of unused chips? Since HBM is a standard, anyone could task Global Foundries or anywhere else to make the chips for them. Buying up all the chips will only cost AMD money - or they will find ways to stretch the life of the obsolete chips and keep respinning their hardware (like the 300 series). Frankly, with Intel's latest chip smacking AMD in the IGP department, there's little reason to get AMD anything currently if you want good performance. I do wish they were more competitive, as single player markets are bad for consumers. The fact is, however, there's nothing compelling they offer - for me anyway. YMMV.
#5122541
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Yeah, the company that failed to beat 980Ti reference cards with their hyped "Fury" cards now apparently has exclusive access to future tech. Derp. Even IF this is true, the fact remains that with Gameworks, nVidia has managed to integrate themselves into the games (unlike the useless TressFX crapware). So if I really want to experience the bells and whistles integrated into a game like Witcher 3, I need nVidia card. THAT and I am myself a game developer who uses Unreal engine, which is basically designed with nVidia tech integration in mind. Chances of me abandoning my work for a GPU that won't run nVidia tech integrated into Unreal 4, are none.
Now what is wrong with TressFX it does fine job with hair and fur... Not as widely used for sure.
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Yeah, the company that failed to beat 980Ti reference cards with their hyped "Fury" cards now apparently has exclusive access to future tech. Derp. Even IF this is true, the fact remains that with Gameworks, nVidia has managed to integrate themselves into the games (unlike the useless TressFX crapware). So if I really want to experience the bells and whistles integrated into a game like Witcher 3, I need nVidia card. THAT and I am myself a game developer who uses Unreal engine, which is basically designed with nVidia tech integration in mind. Chances of me abandoning my work for a GPU that won't run nVidia tech integrated into Unreal 4, are none.
Have you ever made a comparison between TressFx and Gameworks? Try TR2013 (PC, XBone, PS4) and compare that to the Witcher 3 (PC, XBone, PS4). Then, add Alice Madness Returns into the mix just for giggles. Gameworks truly is integrated in to games, where it has consistently proven that it should be named Crapworks instead. This is what always gets me. Fanboyism. I personally believe in defending companies if I'm on the payroll, otherwise, I owe them no loyalty.
#5122625
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Extremely unlikely. Wont believe it until I see it. Hynix would benefit from this how? Only if they are paid big time. And AMD paying that much and making loss with the cards once again? Yeah right...
#5122641
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I did say a long time ago that we will eventually see HBM v2 in EVERYTHING. By 2020 even toasters will have it 🙂
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Yeah, the company that failed to beat 980Ti THAT and I am myself a game developer who uses Unreal engine, which is basically designed with nVidia tech integration in mind. Chances of me abandoning my work for a GPU that won't run nVidia tech integrated into Unreal 4, are none.
You are exactly what's wrong with the gaming industry. Stop selling your soul to a company that is out to create a monopoly.
#5122960
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You are exactly what's wrong with the gaming industry. Stop selling your soul to a company that is out to create a monopoly.
Or grow up and realize people have to run a business and make money; AMD is not a charity.
#5123352
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I did say a long time ago that we will eventually see HBM v2 in EVERYTHING. By 2020 even toasters will have it 🙂
Crysis running on toasters confirmed!
#5123361
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I guess Nvidia won't get as many HBM2 modules as they want. Probably that's why they've been working on compression algorithms and reducing the need of VRAM bandwidth in their Maxwell cards.
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Or grow up and realize people have to run a business and make money; AMD is not a charity.
And what if nVidia manages to create vendor lock-in for a large part of the gaming industry? We''l talk again when that happens and you're crying because nVidia cards have doubled in price.
#5123548
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Well seeing as AMD developed this tech exclusively in conjunction with Hynix,. I really don't think either Hynix or AMD just gonna pass on all their R6D or tech to NV do you? So that means NV has to come up with their own take on it...From scratch. So as I said AMD is already one step ahead of NV. HBM didn't exist until AMD and Hynix came up with it.
another one who read "AMD World Magazine" for sure... AMD is AMD... it doesn't do the whole component of their GPU card (as NVidia btw)... Hynix do only memory and provide to all 3 GPU builder, right now HBM is only possible in 4go and it's a bit weak for a card like this (and for the price too). HBM is an innovation but the 1st iteration from AMD doesn't convince anyone (exept some fanboy, btw notice that if the Fury were from NVidia the awnser would be the same). that's maybe why NVidia have chosen HBM2 month ago for their next card (and what AMD should have done too from my point).
#5123550
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And what if nVidia manages to create vendor lock-in for a large part of the gaming industry? We''l talk again when that happens and you're crying because nVidia cards have doubled in price.
right now it's AMD who have risen up their price... and from a big step.
#5123749
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And what if nVidia manages to create vendor lock-in for a large part of the gaming industry? We''l talk again when that happens and you're crying because nVidia cards have doubled in price.
People said the same thing about Intel, yet AMD is nowhere to be seen in the CPU arena and Intel prices have been the same or cheaper for the past seven years. Guess what, there are controls in modern economies to prevent exactly what you are saying from happening.
#5123765
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People said the same thing about Intel, yet AMD is nowhere to be seen in the CPU arena and Intel prices have been the same or cheaper for the past seven years. Guess what, there are controls in modern economies to prevent exactly what you are saying from happening.
You really are set to prove people wrong even if they are not, or are just a little. But at price I got i5-2500k (read unlocked i5), I can get now LOCKED and considerably weaker i5. If I want unlocked i5, I would have to pay as much as i7-2600k back then (read unlocked i7). And no, there has not been 30% inflation. AMD is still in CPU business in that lower price segment. And there intel has prices set accordingly. But above it intel has series up step-ups and their price difference is now higher than it was before. But intel pushes more CPUs now too, so maybe it is just mere consequence of giving each CPU its price space and try not to overlap much. (And it is accident that you get chip with +-10% perf boost for 30% higher price in comparison to chip price 4 years ago.) Back then i5-2500k was clean choice over FX-8150. With today's prices, if I had to get new chip in this performance level, AMD would look much better considering prices of FX chips.
#5123845
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You really are set to prove people wrong even if they are not, or are just a little. But at price I got i5-2500k (read unlocked i5), I can get now LOCKED and considerably weaker i5. If I want unlocked i5, I would have to pay as much as i7-2600k back then (read unlocked i7). And no, there has not been 30% inflation.
Again, you keep making these bullsh!t statements with no evidence to back them up. Your "facts" aren't facts. These are the prices Intel sells its CPU's: http://ark.intel.com/compare/35428,88040,75123,65523,61275 As you can see, it hasn't changed since 2008 (Q9650) for the same performance group. (per thousand, prices on release) Q9650 =$339 2700K = $332 3770K = $342 4770K = $350 5775C = $377 Now due to inflation, $339 dollars in 2008 is worth $374 today. Don't believe me, type the amount into a friggin inflation calculator: http://s2.postimg.org/ktg85p8dl/20150717_105504_HDR.jpg But hey, you seem to have some other view of how the monetary system works. So I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but your "facts" are bull****. Intel didn't raise prices at all, and in fact gave you much more value for your money considering the i7 tier now comes with Iris Pro graphics for the same price. The rest of your post is more of the same unfounded statements. If you want an FX chip so much, be my guest, just stop constantly putting out these unfounded statements.
#5123849
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Hbm-more vapour talk just like mantle. What happened to mantle lol....zzzZZZzzz.
#5123853
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AMD is still in CPU business in that lower price segment. And there intel has prices set accordingly. But above it intel has series up step-ups and their price difference is now higher than it was before. But intel pushes more CPUs now too, so maybe it is just mere consequence of giving each CPU its price space and try not to overlap much. (And it is accident that you get chip with +-10% perf boost for 30% higher price in comparison to chip price 4 years ago.)
30% higher price huh.... Here a roughly equivalent low-end product SKU. Sandy Bridge price is $141 after inflation, Haswell is $147, or a 4% difference. And do you want to take a guess how much performance the Haswell with an Intel HD 4600 and 3.8GHz has over the Sandy Bridge at 3.1GHz and Intel HD 3000? I'm willing to bet it's far in excess of 10%. http://ark.intel.com/compare/55448,77495,35428,88040,75123,65523,61275 http://s2.postimg.org/flcri9y95/cpu.jpg Seriously, just another example of your nonsense; you're seriously bordering on trolling at this point
#5123884
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^Is that trolling by using real prices in shops and not launch per thousand parts price set by intel? Probably yes. At least in your reality. But hey, we live in some European country anyway. Prices here can be whatever and not one person would consider them as valid real world case. To give you your own perspective: 4 years ago I got this i5-2500k for 4930Kc (our currency Czech Crown) Now, cheapest i5 which is i5-4430 costs 5423Kc. Unbelievably it is exactly 10% more, so your inflation. Now, cheapest unlocked i5 which is i5-4670k/4690k costs 7056Kc (same price for both). That is 43% more. And unlocked i7 (i7-2600k) went back then around 6500Kc. That makes unlocked i5 now around 8.5% more expensive than unlocked i7 back then. With your inflation of 10%, it seems that those prices are now equal. But whatever...
#5123888
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^Is that trolling by using real prices in shops and not launch per thousand parts price set by intel? Probably yes. At least in your reality. But hey, we live in some European country anyway. Prices here can be whatever and not one person would consider them as valid real world case.
So complain to your local shop owner then, this has f*ck all to do with Intel itself; or AMD for that matter. Your problem lies with retailers, not the manufacturers. Because guess what, they do exist at the price points in real life: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117446&cm_re=4370-_-19-117-446-_-Product

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