They really don't suck, they actually call something BS when they see it. Their reviews have been some of the most comprehensive and unbias out of all tech journalism.
Nvidia bare faced lied in their CES presentation. Saying the 4070Ti is "upto" 3X the performance of the 3090Ti when in fact its more like on par with it and loses most of them and sits somewhere between the 3080 and 3090.
They literally compared DLSS2 to DLSS3 where one has frame generation and the other doesn't. That is like testing a GPU that doesn't support DX9 to a card that does. Of course its going to be faster. Their slides had zero asterix or footnotes.
Giving this card any type of award is pretty much as insane as Nvidia has been with this card. Remember they wanted to originally label this as a 4080!!! When its more like a 4060Ti/Super.
almost 7900XT performance for $100 less.
7900XT blows past it in 4K where you can have more texture packs (almost 12Gb being for Far Cry)
still if you game @1400p... for a high end system...if you love RT this isn't a bad card. just expensive.
yeah but wins rt with both 7900xt and xtx, that is why I said same or better overall.
You can count the number of DLSS3 capable games available on one hand.
While there's tangible technological improvements from RT core, AV1 encoders, Shader Execution Reordering, 99.9% of games out there don't support DLSS3 frame generation.
If Nvidia put out a graph comparing frame-generation enabled titles on 4070 vs previous generation GPUs, that's extremely missleading and should be sufficient material for a lawsuit.
Nvidia bare faced lied in their CES presentation. Saying the 4070Ti is "upto" 3X the performance of the 3090Ti when in fact its more like on par with it and loses most of them and sits somewhere between the 3080 and 3090.
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Just saw their video, and really liked the smackdown
I love how manufacturers made picking a GPU a very easy choice for end of 2022 and probably half of 2023 too.
- If yo' daddy is rich, you buy le 4090
- If yo' daddy not rich, you don't buy anything and just go cry in a corner.
Easy !
If Nvidia put out a graph comparing frame-generation enabled titles on 4070 vs previous generation GPUs, that's extremely missleading and should be sufficient material for a lawsuit.
I'd gladly buy this for 700eur. maybe 750 even. It's 3090Ti perf at half power draw. even a bit faster at 1440p, which I'm using. and has dlss3.
No hurry, let the prices drop and 4070 launch first.
How on earth did this even get the award of "Top Pick".....
Because it's a good card, just the price is ridiculous. The Guru3D Recommended/Top Pick/etc doesn't take the price into account at all, it's just about the performance. Not performance per dollar, just performance.
Because it's a good card, just the price is ridiculous. The Guru3D Recommended/Top Pick/etc doesn't take the price into account at all, it's just about the performance. Not performance per dollar, just performance.
it's performance in a given tier, and tiers are determined by price.
it earned a better award than 7900xt cause it offers same or better performance overall for a lower msrp, has better features like cuda/opix support and better efficiency.
amd fanbase really need to stop crying about every award that nvidia cards get while amd doesn't, and look at a broader picture
it's not great, but it's fairly good against other cards. many would pick it over other even worse value cards, hence "top pick". should be easy enough to understand that phrase.
Asus RTX 4070Ti cost line up is this on USA: 😱 😱 😱 " $1,050US Dollars for the OC Strix version
For those prices you'd expect a better heatsink.
ASUS seems to have really cheaped out surface area wise compared to other brands. Especially the TUF is a pretty small one with a load empty space covered by a plastic shell.
I'm getting the PNY model, it has the most beefy heatsink out of all of them. Check the TPU review of that one.
Because it's a good card, just the price is ridiculous. The Guru3D Recommended/Top Pick/etc doesn't take the price into account at all, it's just about the performance. Not performance per dollar, just performance.
Its a 60Ti/Super class card
originally revealed as an 80 class card
then relaunched as a 70 class card
yet its priced higher than the previous gen 80 class card
70 class cards have doubled in price in 2 generations
Price is only one aspect that this product sucks. You have to take everything into account, this product is a disaster and it now sets a precident for future releases from AMD, Nvidia, and Intel that its "ok" to treat your customers like idiots and when you get called out for it just change the name and expect no one to notice. AND then literally lie again about its performance by relying on a technology not accessible on previous hardware.
"up to" 3X the performance of a 3090Ti........ yet.
70 class, it's the same gpu power as previous gen flagship, both at 40tflops.the 5% difference in performance is memory bus, but same thing happened with titan maxwell vs 1070 as well as 3070 vs 2080Ti.
it's performance in a given tier, and tiers are determined by price.
it earned a better award than 7900xt cause it offers same or better performance overall for a lower msrp, has better features like cuda/opix support and better efficiency.
amd fanbase really need to stop crying about every award that nvidia cards get while amd doesn't, and look at a broader picture
it's not great, but it's fairly good against other cards. many would pick it over other even worse value cards, hence "top pick". should be easy enough to understand that phrase.
Tiers are not determined by price, unless that price determination is redefined from scratch every generation. Starting from the Ampere generation, prices have been bloating. If you want to stick to the tier designations, the only way is to count down from the top. Flagship and maybe the one below it are enthusiast, below those are mainstream, and entry level is a couple of models from the bottom. Prices are whatever they happen to be, because they are ridiculous now for all of them. If AMD can't boast an answer to Nvidia's top models, it's debatable if it can be said that AMD even has an enthusiast card.
Maybe you see it as AMD fans complaining about how Nvidia is treated, but I see it as people complaining about too high prices, which is why I said prices don't matter for the medals. Like Hilbert himself said: He could call the price too high, but the card will sell nonetheless. And Jensen will keep smiling from ear to ear.
So true, another very nice card ruined by such greedy pricing... 😕
Dragam1337:
You should always get a cheap version of gpu's, unless you are buying the biggest model aka 4090. Then it sorta makes sense getting a premium version.
I roll my eyes when i see someone buying a 4080 strix, when they could have gotten a cheap 4090 for only a few bucks more, for what is a SUBSTANTIALLY better gpu.
I don`t agree, a good cooler is worth a (small) premium.
Of course the situation changes when custom cards overlap with the entry versions of better cards.
CPC_RedDawn:
How on earth did this even get the award of "Top Pick".....
Because the card itself is great, the pricing is another mather...
Personally, i really like the card but the pricing destroys any chance of it being an hit.
And for this kind of price, i think i would go for AMD.
But even worse, the potential costumers for this card are basically the same customers for the 4080 and even the 4090!
And in the end, it continues to make more sense to splash 2.000€ on a 4090 than 1.500€ on a 4080 or 1.000€ on this card. And i can`t believe that i just wrote this on public forum...:(
Anyway, great review!
While I believe it's technically an interesting product, I find it too expensive, and the "-Ti" particle a bit unjustified.
Damn, from the reveal event that I didn't watch I assume. Literally all DLSS3 games aside from Witcher 3, and even including Portal remake from Nvidia themself , that's more than I initially counter tbh.
I can understand that framerate isn't telling the whole story: there's actual new features like AV1 encoding which could yield some benefits if Youtube/Twitch add AV1 streaming in 2023.
But if you want to compare to previous gen you might as well compare with games that people are actually playing:
it's performance in a given tier, and tiers are determined by price.
it earned a better award than 7900xt cause it offers same or better performance overall for a lower msrp, has better features like cuda/opix support and better efficiency.
amd fanbase really need to stop crying about every award that nvidia cards get while amd doesn't, and look at a broader picture
it's not great, but it's fairly good against other cards. many would pick it over other even worse value cards, hence "top pick". should be easy enough to understand that phrase.
it is what it is, it only got this award cause 7900xt was underwhelming.
3090Ti performance at half power and dlss3, good card.
no one is buying this at this price, and you shouldn't either.
constant whining about some badges is so childish.
I fixed their slide for them.