Undying:

New cpus on a old socket. 14 gen will req. another board change where zen4 x3d and zen5 would not. That is worth investing i think. The longevity of amd platform is just great.

chipsets don't last that long...you're going to have to change the board to get the current/new chipset features.

Undying:

Why would anyone buy a dead platform? Slapping a 13900k in the future compared 7800x3d or even 8800x is not even close. AM5 will last much longer. Im just about to build new amd system and i dont even see another option tbh.

LGA1700 may be a dead platform, but the advantage to regular platform changes is you're never really behind the technology curve. When PCIe 6 eventually comes along, even AMD users are going to be forced up upgrade motherboards, same as we were for PCIe 4 and now PCIe 5....

Airbud:

I thought 13xxx was new?

It is new, but LGA1700 is going to be replaced later this year or early next year when 14th Gen launches. Doesn't necessarily make it a bad platform when you can upgrade later to an i9 13900KF and still be performance competitive with the Ryzen 8000 series. People still jumped on 5800X3D knowing AM4 was a dead platform. For people like you and I, dead platforms aren't a problem because we're not planning on upgrading again next year. I bought into AM4 expecting to be able to upgrade every other generation without having to replace a motherboard, just to be forced to replace a motherboard to upgrade.... It's a fallacy to believe that AMD is going to be able to maintain long term compatibility on any platform. At some point, even AM5 users are going to be forced to upgrade motherboards again. Don't worry though. When I finally upgrade, I'll have 3 5600X, 2 B550 boards, 1 X570 board and 16GB DDR4-3200 needing a new home....lol You can go from 1 dead platform to another again....lol If you don't upgrade before then.

Undying:

New cpus on a old socket. 14 gen will req. another board change where zen4 x3d and zen5 would not. That is worth investing i think. The longevity of amd platform is just great.

Longevity? Some of us only got 2 generations out of our first AM4 boards after AMD promised long term compatibility. My B350 board only supported Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series. I had to replace the board for Ryzen 3000 series support because of "rom size"....I remember the days of Intel being able to support multiple generations of products on a single board. My last LGA775 board supported nearly every LGA775 processor on the market....but only a handful of Ryzen processors can be supported on a B350 board? Even the B450 board I used for my mom's system only supports Ryzen 3000 and 5000 series and my son's B550 board only supports Ryzen 5000 series. That's not really promising for the future.

sykozis:

LGA1700 may be a dead platform, but the advantage to regular platform changes is you're never really behind the technology curve. When PCIe 6 eventually comes along, even AMD users are going to be forced up upgrade motherboards, same as we were for PCIe 4 and now PCIe 5.... It is new, but LGA1700 is going to be replaced later this year or early next year when 14th Gen launches. Doesn't necessarily make it a bad platform when you can upgrade later to an i9 13900KF and still be performance competitive with the Ryzen 8000 series. People still jumped on 5800X3D knowing AM4 was a dead platform. For people like you and I, dead platforms aren't a problem because we're not planning on upgrading again next year. I bought into AM4 expecting to be able to upgrade every other generation without having to replace a motherboard, just to be forced to replace a motherboard to upgrade.... It's a fallacy to believe that AMD is going to be able to maintain long term compatibility on any platform. At some point, even AM5 users are going to be forced to upgrade motherboards again. Don't worry though. When I finally upgrade, I'll have 3 5600X, 2 B550 boards, 1 X570 board and 16GB DDR4-3200 needing a new home....lol You can go from 1 dead platform to another again....lol If you don't upgrade before then. Longevity? Some of us only got 2 generations out of our first AM4 boards after AMD promised long term compatibility. My B350 board only supported Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series. I had to replace the board for Ryzen 3000 series support because of "rom size"....I remember the days of Intel being able to support multiple generations of products on a single board. My last LGA775 board supported nearly every LGA775 processor on the market....but only a handful of Ryzen processors can be supported on a B350 board? Even the B450 board I used for my mom's system only supports Ryzen 3000 and 5000 series and my son's B550 board only supports Ryzen 5000 series. That's not really promising for the future.

Some select b350/x370 mobos did get the ryzen 5000 support. B450/X470 support all 3000 and 5000 series cpus. Imagine having such board and you pop in the 5800x3d in there? You have a very fast gaming system. Same will happen with 7800x3d. @OnnA is using 5950x on his X370 no issues.

Undying:

Some select b350/x370 mobos did get the ryzen 5000 support. B450/X470 support all 3000 and 5000 series cpus. Imagine having such board and you pop in the 5800x3d in there? You have a very fast gaming system. Same will happen with 7800x3d. @OnnA is using 5950x on his X370 no issues.

Yes, "some select" B350 and X370 boards. Mine was not on that list. Mine never even got 3000 series support outside of a buggy as hell "beta" bios that removed support for 1000 and 2000 series processors. Makes zero sense to pair a 5800X3D with a 300 series chipset since they don't support PCIe 4 and 400 series boards don't "officially" support PCIe 4.

Well all msi x300 got the 5000 update, my x370 gaming pro carbon saw 3 processors, 1600x, 3600 and now i have the 5800x3d, if that's not longegivity then i dont know what is.

Undying:

Why would anyone buy a dead platform? Slapping a 13900k in the future compared 7800x3d or even 8800x is not even close. AM5 will last much longer. Im just about to build new amd system and i dont even see another option tbh.

while I get that for early 7800x3d/7900x3d adopters, for value oriented customers like you and me what amd offer with am5 seems more like perpetual cycle of overpaying for entry level parts more than great ugrade paths. by the time 7600 launched (255eur retail), 12400f dropped to 155eur and it was never over 180. you can have a 12400f for 155eur now, 5800x performance or higher stock, use that on b760 mortar max ddr4 and clock it past 5GHz to beat every current 7000 series in gaming. No option ? From a value standpoint, I'd rather have this and swap it for a 13700KF in 3-4 years time, new or preferably used, for ~200eur instead of getting excited for another great amd cpu that's going to start at 2x that. People on OCN are saying 13th gen imc runs ddr4 4300-4400 ddr4 with tight timings in gear1 mode so you're not losing much against even +6000 ddr5 sticks, if anything they might be faster for memory sensitive games. Again, no option ? There will be a raptor lake refresh too, probably no breakthrough performance, but refreshes on intel usually bring more perf/price choice. and why even bother with ddr5 before ~8000mhz kits are mainstream ? I bought into ddr4 late, got great b-dies at 95eur and they'll last me this and next build. Same will happen with ddr5, get 8000 sticks and they'll be better value in the long run, you'll use them when new ddr arrives but cpus and boards offer backwards compability, hopefully not just intel ones. You can buy hynix based 6000 c32 fury kits for a nice price now, but they'll only do 7800-8000 mhz on intel boards. IDK why you always think am5 is next AM4. It isn't even close. AM4 was value and longevity for everyone, AM5 is great for high-end longevity, but almost every am4 owner here didn't even bother and just got a 5800x3d, as they should when it dropped to 350.

Undying:

Some select b350/x370 mobos did get the ryzen 5000 support. B450/X470 support all 3000 and 5000 series cpus. Imagine having such board and you pop in the 5800x3d in there? You have a very fast gaming system. Same will happen with 7800x3d. @OnnA is using 5950x on his X370 no issues.

Yup, Steady as Funk 😛 16/16 Config with fast DDR at 3800MHz CL16 1T With NUMA Tweak for CPU & Cache (Windows see only one CPU 16C and 72MB Cache and not 8 + 8 and 32 + 32MB in default mode) Note: I can Play Witcher 3 RT in Novigrad NP 😉

Undying:

Why would anyone buy a dead platform? Slapping a 13900k in the future compared 7800x3d or even 8800x is not even close. AM5 will last much longer. Im just about to build new amd system and i dont even see another option tbh.

I think that there`s a good case for both side because both provide good options. Intel is a little cheaper, because of DDR4, and performs better in some areas, like gaming, but uses more power and the socket is a dead end. AMD "promises" much better longevity, uses less power, is cooler and a very good performer, but DDR5 and MBs prices are a big obstacle... Personally, i`m more inclined to go with AMD this time, specially because i`m a little tired of going always with Intel but i`m the first to admit that the 13600KF is very enticing for a gamer like me. My biggest worries about AMD are the long boot times and that little piece of hardware called Pluton, classified by many as spyware... Like can we disable it or does it work only with Windows?!...

liviut:

Well all msi x300 got the 5000 update, my x370 gaming pro carbon saw 3 processors, 1600x, 3600 and now i have the 5800x3d, if that's not longegivity then i dont know what is.

That's a bad azz mofo mobo! https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Leonardo-Dicaprio-Cheers.jpg :D

The idle and single-threaded performance in this review is on a similar level to Intel. Many people are claiming that Ryzen CPUs idle at over 50 W (the CPU alone, not the entire system), and that real world power usage is much higher on AMD. One example: [youtube=JHWxAdKK4Xg] TechPowerUp review also shows very low single-threaded power consumption. What's up with that? Who is right?

Harry Lloyd:

The idle and single-threaded performance in this review is on a similar level to Intel. Many people are claiming that Ryzen CPUs idle at over 50 W (the CPU alone, not the entire system), and that real world power usage is much higher on AMD. One example: [youtube=JHWxAdKK4Xg] TechPowerUp review also shows very low single-threaded power consumption. What's up with that? Who is right?

Not sure why that youtuber shows those results while clearly loading the system. It's true that AMD has higher idle power consumption, that's just one of the weaknesses of the chiplet design choice. Something like this looks much more accurate: https://static.tweaktown.com/content/1/0/10229_46_intel-core-i5-13600k-raptor-lake-cpu-review.png