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LEEc337
Can it play crysis...
Undying
Why would all ryzen 7000 have igpus? Some of us dont need them it just taking up space in io die or worse have chiplet of its own. Put more cache instead.
Venix
JamesSneed
schmidtbag
Fine with me. I was a bit annoyed about the idea of including iGPUs since that would drive up the cost of each chip, but this seems to be a sensible and more cost-effective approach. Of the times you'd need an iGPU on a high-end CPU, you don't really need that much performance. No point wasting die space or making chips more expensive when you just need something that can drive a few displays. You also don't want an iGPU hogging all of the memory bandwidth on high-end models.
I assume AMD will still provide low-end chips (6 core models or lower) will have options for better iGPUs, since those have a reason to need extra on-package performance, and won't be as starved for bandwidth.
tunejunky
the lede was buried. the news is the 6nm i/o, which takes up considerably less space and uses far less power. the iGPU is just there for what James Sneed said - an option for troubleshooting.
at first i was shocked as this flew very much under the (local) radar, but then i remembered CES where the OEM's were complaining that (system) returns were up for Ryzen and i asked why (as i used to work for an OEM) and the #1 reason was the gpu (from shipping). as secure as i thought the locking pcie tab is, apparently they were taking hits as a lot of companies have changed packaging (Dell, HP, Asus, Acer, etc..) to be more "green".
so the inclusion of an iGPU would've saved these companies hundreds of thousands (time, material, brand reputation, shipping back and forth) and a consumer could've easily troubleshot the issue.
also the Ryzen 6000 (APU) was recently released (and only now getting into mobile) with a fully functional (1080p) gaming iGPU.
the Ryzen 8000(?) APU using ddr 5 will be coming out next year and rumors have it that it's RDNA 3 and 1440p capable. let's just hope ddr 5 is cheaper then.
schmidtbag
Venix
FlyBy
+1 for the iGPU.
When I need to take my GPU out for cleaning, testing another one, etc.. it's not that easy anymore with this 5900X, with my previous Intel system I could switch to iGPU for a few hours.
Now I run this Intel behind my 4K TV as my HTPC, with the iGPU, 4k@60fps Youtube, Netflix, Desktop. Without that iGPU I would need a loud, dusty, bulky, noisy and-not-for-free dGPU.
The 8700k makes a damn good HTPC, thanks to it's iGPU. I wish my 5900X had the same "option".
cucaulay malkin
user1
waltc3
It's definitely true, although I don't know the exact number shaders, etc.--great for Internet, email, etc. Or to use temporarily in lieu of a discrete GPU. AMD says a lot of businesses have to have a low-powered IGP capable of office work or the CPU is no good for them, because they will not buy discrete GPUs. Not meant to replace an APU, though, which AMD says they will still be selling for AMD 5.
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cucaulay malkin
Silva
Most Intel CPUs have an iGPU, and let me tell ya: for gaming they're worthless but when your GPU goes to shit, being able to still turn your PC and do light work is amazing.
My old 2500K is now my mothers PC and the GPU at the time progressed to my build. It would be more expensive to put a dedicated GPU on that system and wouldn't be used to its full potential.
So yes, I agree every CPU need even a simple iGPU. What I don't get is why don't AMD put a bigger GPU die on the place of a Zen die and have a killer APU right there.
Just add 8Gb HBM2 on top and they'd kill every less than 300€ GPU on the market.
Aura89
I feel like because the iGPU is included in the i/o chiplet the worries that it increases cost is unwarrented, it'd likely be more expensive to have two seperate i/o chiplets and dividing up orders then ordering them all the same.
As to the usefulness, it's useful no matter the setup, just from a troubleshooting standpoint. There's really no time being able to troubleshoot if your graphics card is an issue that having an iGPU wouldn't be benefitial.
tunejunky
tunejunky
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CPC_RedDawn
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