Start throwing rocks at me, i love Metro type of style. However only IF it will not harm the classic usability in any way. Keep it classic, modernise the interface, sure, but keep it classic.

The music / groove apps, I can see them looking like that, outlook I doubt will look anything like that as final, and I have my doubts explorer will be replaced by something that looks like a DeviantART mockup Functionality will be massively broken, we still can't even right click a folder/library on the start menu and choose paste, in fact right clicking a folder does nothing

Personally, I deactivate Groove and all that bloatware. I don't want MS getting info on every little thing that happens on my PC. Winamp for music (since the 90's) and MPC-HC for video. just found out that Thunderbird is still going strong 🙂

HH, spotted a minor typo in the beggining of the article.(hater-later)

Start throwing rocks at me, i love Metro type of style. However only IF it will not harm the classic usability in any way. Keep it classic, modernise the interface, sure, but keep it classic.

They can throw rocks at both of us, because out of all the Windows designs Metro was my favorite. This reminds me of Android and some of the desktop Android variants out there.

They can throw rocks at both of us, because out of all the Windows designs Metro was my favorite. This reminds me of Android and some of the desktop Android variants out there.

It's going to be a hail of rocks as I liked it as well.I use a theme from start10 to give the taskbar transparency so it's similar look.

It's going to be a hail of rocks as I liked it as well.I use a theme from start10 to give the taskbar transparency so it's similar look.

Taskbar can be made transparent natively with 10 anyway? I think I've gone off the whole transparency thing, I liked it in Vista and 7, but when 8.x arrived I didn't miss the windows borders transparency, and with 10 I disable it all together

A proper combo of the W10/Zune-Metro look would be all the money.

Personally, I deactivate Groove and all that bloatware. I don't want MS getting info on every little thing that happens on my PC. Winamp for music (since the 90's) and MPC-HC for video. just found out that Thunderbird is still going strong 🙂

From my experience on setting up new computers, Groove and Videos and TV play everything out there and they are much lighter on the system compared to any program of similar capability. They make small Atom netbooks usable again.

Taskbar can be made transparent natively with 10 anyway? I think I've gone off the whole transparency thing, I liked it in Vista and 7, but when 8.x arrived I didn't miss the windows borders transparency, and with 10 I disable it all together

Probably but this is a carry over from 8 that I just kept I would like to be able to do that on explorer windows etc.This way is so bland it reminds me of 98.

From my experience on setting up new computers, Groove and Videos and TV play everything out there and they are much lighter on the system compared to any program of similar capability. They make small Atom netbooks usable again.

I don't trust them. thats all. 🙂 I don't want them to go and get "more information about the artist etc....." My Internet connection is bad enough...... i also don't want them reorganizing everything "for me". There's a lot of "doing things for you without asking" in Windows lately, which i don't like. If it was all optional, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but its a right pain in the backside to get rid of it all. If it was part of a "Plus Pack" that people could voluntarily install, then I'm all for it 🙂 Win10 is going the route where you have to have the latest updates. The last 'Anniversary' update is a requirement for some software, and even for the Netflix support on Kaby-Lake also. Then, later this year, the "Creator" update will be an obligatory requirement, and so on. It will probably reinstall all the crap again, as the anniversary update did...... Thats the way its heading, if you don't have the updates, then software won't work, and you won't get ANY more updates until you've done the updates they want you to do. When an update bricks a PC or specific hardware, the answer will be "you hardware is no longer compatible/there are no drivers available" and you will be asked to change hardware (printer people, i'm looking at you...). We should just get an operating system, and security updates. Any "eye candy" should be optional. Any "Freebie extras" like Groove, Cortana, and stuff, should also be optional.

I don't think people so much hated the "Metro" look but rather the Start Screen, which Metro was associated with. I wouldn't say Metro was my favorite Windows look but I don't dislike it either.

Probably but this is a carry over from 8 that I just kept I would like to be able to do that on explorer windows etc.This way is so bland it reminds me of 98.

This claims to be able to create the transparent window borders on 10 http://www.glass8.eu/

I don't trust them. thats all. 🙂 I don't want them to go and get "more information about the artist etc....." My Internet connection is bad enough......

Even Foobar has installed subsystems that do this at this point. You can also close it. Groove is the only good looking library manager that I know, who can run with acceptable performance on Atom CPUs. The option you mention is clearly closed/opened by a single switch. http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclubco.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/groove-music.jpg

i also don't want them reorganizing everything "for me". There's a lot of "doing things for you without asking" in Windows lately, which i don't like. If it was all optional, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but its a right pain in the backside to get rid of it all. If it was part of a "Plus Pack" that people could voluntarily install, then I'm all for it 🙂

None do that. All of that is closed by default and you have to open it by hand to do that. There is no pain involved. All of the things that you specifically mention don't happen the way you think they do.

Win10 is going the route where you have to have the latest updates. The last 'Anniversary' update is a requirement for some software, and even for the Netflix support on Kaby-Lake also.

You confuse two things here. First of all, Windows FINALLY update on normal installations by default. The greatest problem the platform has had since centuries were users that never got the latest updates and they were either parts of botnets, infected to the brim, or simply unable to run the latest software and then blaming their computer for it. The way things go Windows 10 won't be the infested base used by all your favorite botnets, it seems that Android (and its idiotic fragmentation) will be the new botnet kings. The Neftlix thing you mention has to do with PlayReady DRM, which needs both a hardware (contained in Kaby) component, and a software component to work. This is a studio requirement, not a Microsoft one. Microsoft and Intel were simply the first ones to implement it, each of them in their specific stack.

Then, later this year, the "Creator" update will be an obligatory requirement, and so on. It will probably reinstall all the crap again, as the anniversary update did......

You can choose to "Defer upgrades" which will more or less keep you one major upgrade behind, giving any specialized software you have at least six months to catch up. You will still get security upgrades for your base installation that time (as you should, we all love our Flash player exploits, don't we :P ).

Thats the way its heading, if you don't have the updates, then software won't work, and you won't get ANY more updates until you've done the updates they want you to do.

This is how all operating systems work. Unless you have the latest base version, there is no way that applications using new APIs or kernel features can work on your system. Try working on anything with a vanilla Windows XP installation and you'll get what I mean.

When an update bricks a PC or specific hardware, the answer will be "you hardware is no longer compatible/there are no drivers available" and you will be asked to change hardware (printer people, i'm looking at you...).

Printer drivers where the f*cking horror, it was about time that happened. Everything else works. My old GeForce 7900GTX works in Windows 10, using the Windows 8.1 driver. My 7 year old Xonar D2X works perfectly, my ancient C270 Logitech webcam (the irony being that the Microsoft generic driver is better than the generic Logitech one). POS systems with ancillary COM/LPT connections actually work better than with Windows 7, my Lumia 640 works with everything. The only things you can't run with Windows 10 are CPUs without the NX bit, but they are truly ancient and there is always Linux for that.

We should just get an operating system, and security updates. Any "eye candy" should be optional. Any "Freebie extras" like Groove, Cortana, and stuff, should also be optional.

The UI of the system is not simple "eye candy". You can't expect them to leave their userland behind and stop developing its look. What you describe exists in the form of the MinWin servers, but if you want Microsoft's UI on it, that's what you'll get. Closing this, it's interesting what kind of user Microsoft has unintentionally created over the years. You want a safe OS, but you refuse mandatory security upgrades, you want a simple look, but who decides what that is going to be? What you describe to me is Linux, and I'm not sure you would find your peace even there. It's customized, but constantly rolling, and I'm not sure you would like that much more either. I like Microsoft's approach with Windows 10 very much. It means that all Windows system will come with the latest security and functionality patches by default, with proper AV by default, and it will create a much more healthy ecosystem as a result. I can't see all the Windows 7 nostalgia like anything else than rose-tinted glasses to be fair. W10 is definitely faster, and UWP is much better than Win32 for older systems that would still like to maintain some functionality. /rant over

Some screenshots appeared on the web showing new designs of Windows that Microsoft plans to release hater this year with an update.Â*Aero Glass certainly comes to mind here.... Project NEON New Windows Screenshots Leaked

For a moment I thought you meant "to release to haters" then I came back to reality and realized you ment " to release later" Cant really say I want to see this seeing I dont like the Metro look to begin with. I still haven installed RS1 and I dont want to do clean install to avoid. issue just to have to do it again in 4 months.

Taskbar can be made transparent natively with 10 anyway? I think I've gone off the whole transparency thing, I liked it in Vista and 7, but when 8.x arrived I didn't miss the windows borders transparency, and with 10 I disable it all together

Yes but you can't adjust the transparency like you used to be able to.

Some screenshots appeared on the web showing new designs of Windows that Microsoft plans to release hater this year with an update.Â*Aero Glass certainly comes to mind here.... Project NEON New Windows Screenshots Leaked

That's some Freud for ya. 🙂

Personally, I deactivate Groove and all that bloatware. I don't want MS getting info on every little thing that happens on my PC. Winamp for music (since the 90's) and MPC-HC for video. just found out that Thunderbird is still going strong 🙂

Agree! I like my system to have the least amount of apps as possible. win media player for music - i do like! vlc for vids

An OS should be just that: an operating system. It is just there to power my devices and run my applications, interfacing between the two. If I wanted to buy something, I would look for it. Placing the ability to buy something into the OS leads to so many areas of concern for potentially unwilling and witting consumers it bakes my brain. Assumption is the mother of all BSOD's

Looks nice but for the love of god, can MS please introduce a "night" theme that is easy to use? I'm so sick of having to hack my OS to use different looking themes. if I can change it so simply on my android, I should be able to in Windows as well ffs.