PC Monitor Shipments Plummet 18.3% YoY in 4Q22: IDC Report

fantaskarsef

2023-03-18 21:23

people buy more PCs because of Covid PCs become more expensive people buy less PCs because they are expensive PCs become even more expensive people buy even less PCs because they are expensive sales drop and all the companies show the same tendency management still doesn't lower prices Can't believe those people get paid for their "management".

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Noisiv

2023-03-18 21:49

fantaskarsef:

people buy more PCs because of Covid PCs become more expensive people buy less PCs because they are expensive PCs become even more expensive

I know.. but that is how the current system works. https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20230318_27jdp3.png

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wavetrex

2023-03-18 22:24

tty8k:

Color calibration on those looks all over the place 😛 I would bleed at such sight lol.

Actually, looked at in front, they are very close in both brightness/contrast and color calibration. But what you said is exactly what happens with LCD, all of them... you look at it a bit off axis, any calibration is basically thrown out the window. --- But yea, back to topic... not only there's a general economy slowdown, really heading into recession, but also specific to monitors, the progress has been very, very slow, with only MOAR FRAMES being offered in the last 10 years or so. Everything else basically stagnated, just tiny improvements to response times. It's the limitation of technology... no matter how good the fabrication technology gets, all LCD's suffer from the same problem - the pixels are a filter of light, not a source of light, and that liquid crystal cannot instantly change orientation and opacity like a solid state light emitting diode...

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pegasus1

2023-03-18 22:41

wavetrex:

Actually, looked at in front, they are very close in both brightness/contrast and color calibration. But what you said is exactly what happens with LCD, all of them... you look at it a bit off axis, any calibration is basically thrown out the window. --- But yea, back to topic... not only there's a general economy slowdown, really heading into recession, but also specific to monitors, the progress has been very, very slow, with only MOAR FRAMES being offered in the last 10 years or so. Everything else basically stagnated, just tiny improvements to response times. It's the limitation of technology... no matter how good the fabrication technology gets, all LCD's suffer from the same problem - the pixels are a filter of light, not a source of light, and that liquid crystal cannot instantly change orientation and opacity like a solid state light emitting diode...

Just do what they have done with everything else, add RGB 😀

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asturur

2023-03-18 23:11

I see that most of the people again durin pandemic refreshed the pc or bougth a second monitor and now of course, they don't need to buy all over again. Those decline in yoy sale do not take in account that in 2020 and 2021 we had a boom of entertainment things to do home.

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GREGIX

2023-03-18 23:38

Prices, lack of innovation (besides OLED), still lots of LCD has 6bit screens, still lots of them are max 60hz, recession looming around corner, cost of living went like +50% year to year when u add all costs(fuels, power, food), and so one... So yeah, decline.

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Agonist

2023-03-19 03:00

Martin5000:

no thanks i prefer eyefinity. they turn off when not in use. imagine having this wide screen on 24,7 would do ya head in for sure.

Uhm, who the hell would have a superwide monitor on 24/7 or stare at that much. Yea none of what you said makes sense at all. In fact, you can put the monitor in dual 16:9 mode or 21:9 and 11:9 picture in picture and have dual monitor setup with 1 monitor, 1 stand, and one super tiny line between them. As a former eyefinity user, ill take my superwide over triples any day of the week now. And I do alot of sim racing. And its easy as pie adding a 3rd monitor for eyefinity only using a 2nd one.

Venix:

What I was saying is that 4k is not just for gaming happy you are happy with your monitor though!

4k is terrible for gaming, well anything 16:9 these days. But my whole post I never talked about gaming. But ok........................ When you have 2560x1080, 3440x1440, 3840x1080, 3840x1200, 5120x1440, 5120x1600, and soon 7680x2160, zero excuse honeslty outside of consoles for 16:9 to exist. Most business I do into are still using 5:4 monitors. Tons of hospitals do, and our project managers switching to ultrawides to get rid of their 2-3 monitor setups that take up tons of space. And low resolution.

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Undying

2023-03-19 03:10

I'll buy oled 34" ultrawide as soon prices become reasonable. 😀

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XP-200

2023-03-19 03:29

Funny thing is right up until last year i was using a 43in 4k hdr tv for my pc gaming, then these insane lekky prices had me looking for a cheaper way, and i found a very nice 1080p 27in pc monitor that consumes 19 watts a hour, compared to the 43in 4k tv which was in the 110 watts a hour, and even more if you were using dynamic picture mode, and to be honest i have been very impressed with the pc monitor, gives way better vibrant colours and sharpness than the 4k tv i was using.

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Valken

2023-03-19 04:50

OLED TV PC MASTER RACE FTW! 😀

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0blivious

2023-03-19 06:26

OLED? What am I? Royalty? Lately I'm using a $250 4k tv from Hisense and it's surprisingly good as a monitor. This 5700XT is also surprisingly more capable at 4K gaming than I anticipated.

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TheDeeGee

2023-03-19 19:11

Buying a monitor is a pain the ass when you have high standards and OCD.

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EspHack

2023-03-19 20:21

as I expected, monitors are going the way of "computer speakers"

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bballfreak6

2023-03-19 22:19

TheDeeGee:

Buying a monitor is a pain the ass when you have high standards and OCD.

Haha I am still waiting for my no-compromise 32" 4K 144Hz monitor for both gaming and productivity (photo editing). Pricing on "gaming monitors" are really getting out of control. Currently on the Dell S2721DGF which is a fantastic performing 1440P 165Hz monitor which can be had for AUD $400 right now yet to move up to 32" 4K I have to pay exponentially more and still deal with compromises; and you wonder why sales are down. LG can sell a 65" QLED mini LED TV with ~1000 local dimming zones for just shy of 2 grand here in Australia yet the cheapest 32GQ950 with only 32 zones I can find goes for $1700 like WTF.

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DownwithEA

2023-03-20 12:17

EspHack:

as I expected, monitors are going the way of "computer speakers"

I'm through with the typical computer speakers. Last Logitech speakers I picked up were garbage. Sub broke immediately out of warranty and I'm currently down to 1-2 speakers depending on their mood. Looking at some book shelf speakers now. Looking for a $120 pair of Neumi or Micca now. I'm kicking myself that I didn't do this before.

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Valken

2023-03-20 13:19

bballfreak6:

Haha I am still waiting for my no-compromise 32" 4K 144Hz monitor for both gaming and productivity (photo editing). Pricing on "gaming monitors" are really getting out of control. Currently on the Dell S2721DGF which is a fantastic performing 1440P 165Hz monitor which can be had for AUD $400 right now yet to move up to 32" 4K I have to pay exponentially more and still deal with compromises; and you wonder why sales are down. LG can sell a 65" QLED mini LED TV with ~1000 local dimming zones for just shy of 2 grand here in Australia yet the cheapest 32GQ950 with only 32 zones I can find goes for $1700 like WTF.

OLED, 4K 16:9, you can set it to 21:9 for 4096x1080 or 1440, VRR, 120HZ, next to no ghosting, deep blacks like your coffee and men, 42" - 75", what else do you want?! :D

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Prince Valiant

2023-03-20 14:01

wavetrex:

You can simply not connect it to the internet... it's not like the TV guesses your wifi password on its own...

You still have to deal with the included software do you not?

anub1s18:

yea i assume most people with a decent LCD/IPS monitor aren't looking forward to doubling what they spent on it for marginal (higher HDR standard / higher refresh rate ) increases. unless my monitor dies outside of warrenty i'd only ever replace it if a reasonably priced decent oled/QD-Oled/mini LED were out and most of those are still uninteresting due to price.../ potential burn-in issue's with the oled's down the line. i've just never really seen a monitor like a GPU something that you probably would like to replace every couple of years for more performance/features...if it works it works it's not the thing holding down my framerate from time to time or causing frame drops or lag so it's a low priority to replace whenever something improves and with OLED where in 3 years you might have burn in and need to replace the panel to get rid of it...that is just not an appealing ship to get on right now imo. only time i ever just got a monitor is my current one where i went from 27" ghosting VA > 27" non ghosting IPS with HDR and G-sync compatibility...it's not great HDR by any means but it's enough to understand what it's trying to do and make the next monitor require a HDR600+ or ideally trueblack 400/600 checkbox.

I've been using the same monitors for many years. I never change them without a practical reason such as a significant improvement (ie. double refresh or contrast with no losses elsewhere).

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bballfreak6

2023-03-21 03:11

Valken:

OLED, 4K 16:90, you can set it to 21:9 for 4096x1080 or 1440, VRR, 120HZ, next to no ghosting, deep blacks like your coffee and men, 42" - 75", what else do you want?! :D

I need a bigger desk xD