I hope that the ReactOS system gets more funds and will be developed faster..

I hope that the ReactOS system gets more funds and will be developed faster..

on small team time is needed too 🙁 but too much google on this project... but after extensive use of W10, i wouldn't consider a buy with W7 (and even more W8.* of course). W10 work better and use less ressources and even some program that doesn't work since W7 work again...

As someone who primarily uses Linux on a daily basis (including at work), I don't really understand what people hate so much about Windows 10 compared to 7. There are only 2 things I found especially annoying: 1. It advertises way too many MS products and in a pretty intrusive way. 2. It seems to be even more bloated than Windows 7, which was already too heavy for my liking.

Windows 10 is the best OS Microsoft has to offer, as well as being the most recent. Hence no reason for the vast majority of people not to use it on a new system... Windows 7, while very good, is 7 years old now and it's only going to have more and more issues with compatibility over the next few years and beyond.

As someone who primarily uses Linux on a daily basis (including at work), I don't really understand what people hate so much about Windows 10 compared to 7. There are only 2 things I found especially annoying: 1. It advertises way too many MS products and in a pretty intrusive way. 2. It seems to be even more bloated than Windows 7, which was already too heavy for my liking.

These are good reasons and the fact that there's nothing wrong with Win7 and as a result, there's nothing appealing with Windows 10. Using less resources? good for tablets and devices with less than 2GB of RAM but doesn't matter at all with a good computer, it's not like Windows 7 was bugged and a memory hog. For references, I use Windows 10 everyday at work and Windows 7 at home.

These are good reasons and the fact that there's nothing wrong with Win7 and as a result, there's nothing appealing with Windows 10. Using less resources? good for tablets and devices with less than 2GB of RAM but doesn't matter at all with a good computer, it's not like Windows 7 was bugged and a memory hog. For references, I use Windows 10 everyday at work and Windows 7 at home.

"Nothing wrong" is a matter of perspective. If you care about future security updates or things like DX12 or support for the yet-to-be-released CPUs, then Windows 7 might not be all that appealing. Also, Windows 7 was and still is a memory hog, but it's less of one compared to Vista and 10.

As someone who primarily uses Linux on a daily basis (including at work), I don't really understand what people hate so much about Windows 10 compared to 7. There are only 2 things I found especially annoying: 1. It advertises way too many MS products and in a pretty intrusive way. 2. It seems to be even more bloated than Windows 7, which was already too heavy for my liking.

3. Blunt privacy policy in license windows 10 what say that microsoft gather in cloud all what you do, what you click, what you have on your computer 4. Updates what you can not turn off, and you do not know what they update, and not know it will work or if you want them 5. update issues that ends with reinstall system 6. windows 10 is not finished and you are testing it for them, user interference and control panel still not complete 7. Integrated services running in backround like xbox, corthana, shop, game recording, not to mention about normal services and spy monitoring 8. disabled security configurations in home and pro version 9. MS policy that gave you no chooice, if you want dx12 you need win10 (dx12 can run on win7, russians did it) 10. Problems with old drivers and aplications 11. Plans that you will be able run only what is in MS store 12. Problems with built-in apps

@chronek You do have some valid points, but I wouldn't consider those enough of a detriment to not upgrade. As for some of the others:

3. Blunt privacy policy in license windows 10 what say that microsoft gather in cloud all what you do, what you click, what you have on your computer

W7 isn't a whole lot better about that, it's just less out-in-the-open about it.

4. Updates what you can not turn off, and you do not know what they update, and not know it will work or if you want them

You can prevent automatic updates. Set the update service to manual - problem solved. As for the rest of that problem, W7 has the same issue. I don't recall an easy way to manually select updates for W7.

7. Integrated services running in backround like xbox, corthana, shop, game recording, not to mention about normal services and spy monitoring

So just disable the services. Many of those services don't even run out-of-the-box. And again - W7 still has "spy monitoring", just less of it.

9. MS policy that gave you no chooice, if you want dx12 you need win10 (dx12 can run on win7, russians did it)

Back in the day, DX10 could also run on Windows XP with a hack too. But you need to go out of your way to get this set up. If doing such a thing isn't a problem to you, then what's preventing you from spending the time fixing the other things you don't like about W10? Where do you draw the line?

10. Problems with old drivers and aplications

I have yet to encounter an issue with that. W7 drivers have so far worked fine for me. Depending on which edition you have, W10 has compatibility mode.

11. Plans that you will be able run only what is in MS store

Have a source on that? I find that very hard to believe. MS has repeatedly been reprimanded for doing such anticompetitive actions.

12. Problems with built-in apps

So don't use them? Since when did Windows ever come with decent built-in apps? With the exception of the current-gen Task Manager (which is actually really nice), the last decent built-in app Windows came with was Media Player 9.

@schmidtbag that was why we hate, but we have no alternative, so still we have to upgrade to win10

3. Blunt privacy policy in license windows 10 what say that microsoft gather in cloud all what you do, what you click, what you have on your computer 4. Updates what you can not turn off, and you do not know what they update, and not know it will work or if you want them 5. update issues that ends with reinstall system 6. windows 10 is not finished and you are testing it for them, user interference and control panel still not complete 7. Integrated services running in backround like xbox, corthana, shop, game recording, not to mention about normal services and spy monitoring 8. disabled security configurations in home and pro version 9. MS policy that gave you no chooice, if you want dx12 you need win10 (dx12 can run on win7, russians did it) 10. Problems with old drivers and aplications 11. Plans that you will be able run only what is in MS store 12. Problems with built-in apps

Minute complaints. I have ran into 1 piece of hardware that had issues with Windows 10 and its old vista driver. Was an X58 G1 sniper board with a that pos Killer NIC built it. Win 10 is quite simple to setup and configure. Its just not noob friendly. It took less then 5 mins to setup a group policy to disable updates for a 9800gtx+ used with my fury X as a hybrid phsyx setup. Small annoyance, yes, but nothing to cry and whine about. And as someone who used win 7 from beta 2 to till 2014 before switching to win 8.1 for BF4's DX11.1 support and the game ran better, I can say Win 10 is much nicer then Win 7. Some people spend too much time on the internet worried about what others may see or gather from them.

@schmidtbag that was why we hate, but we have no alternative, so still we have to upgrade to win10

I understand, but to me a lot of those aren't good reasons to hate it or avoid it. It's your opinion, so you're allowed to feel whatever you want. But, a good reason to hate a product is because of something you're forced to deal with and can't change, or, involves complications (time, money, legal, etc) to fix. W10, compared to 7, doesn't really have much of that. Now, if you want to hate W10 compared to another OS, that's a whole different story.

win 7 audio is not up to par win 7 has more cpu overhead, which translates into less FPS that alone is HUGE and upgrade to Win 10 should be a nobrainer for any gamer/"normal PC user" with half a brain or moar

@chronek You do have some valid points, but I wouldn't consider those enough of a detriment to not upgrade. As for some of the others: W7 isn't a whole lot better about that, it's just less out-in-the-open about it.

Even if Windows 7 was sending something that was illegal and was not included in licence what you agree, but in Windows 10 you have to agree for everything what you do not want (who would want it? It not serve any purpose for me, but is big threat of privacy)

You can prevent automatic updates. Set the update service to manual - problem solved. As for the rest of that problem, W7 has the same issue. I don't recall an easy way to manually select updates for W7.

Critical updates still will install and reboot by self even if you set manual

So just disable the services. Many of those services don't even run out-of-the-box. And again - W7 still has "spy monitoring", just less of it.

yes Windows 7 have spy updates from a year ago, but they are not integrated in system, you can not install them, and about services - you need specialistic knowledge to disable them, cause you can not turn them off in service window...

Back in the day, DX10 could also run on Windows XP with a hack too. But you need to go out of your way to get this set up. If doing such a thing isn't a problem to you, then what's preventing you from spending the time fixing the other things you don't like about W10? Where do you draw the line?

Whole idea about Windows 10 drifted from original idea of operating system, now it is not a platform for programs, but service all in one, and more, soon you will not be able run what you want, but only what they allow you to run.. And you agreed for that, as you agreed on licence what allow to modify your system as they want, peoples hated vista, now if they want do vista in next updates you have no choice

I have yet to encounter an issue with that. W7 drivers have so far worked fine for me. Depending on which edition you have, W10 has compatibility mode.

Old specialistic drivers not working with win10 like ploter drivers, highend soundcards drivers, etc, with every update something not working, wifi drivers stop working, next update antivir crashing.... next update reboot loop and need reinstall... I goes back to windows 7 for now...

Have a source on that? I find that very hard to believe. MS has repeatedly been reprimanded for doing such anticompetitive actions.

They are changing model for universal apps

So don't use them? Since when did Windows ever come with decent built-in apps? With the exception of the current-gen Task Manager (which is actually really nice), the last decent built-in app Windows came with was Media Player 9.

There is no Media Player in win10, i liked many apps of older windows, all new apps are slow and not usable, they are cripled version for tablet or smartphones

Even if Windows 7 was sending something that was illegal and was not included in licence what you agree, but in Windows 10 you have to agree for everything what you do not want (who would want it? It not serve any purpose for me, but is big threat of privacy)

Understood, but think about it like this - would you rather a friend insult you to your face or behind your back? If you prefer it to your face, that's what W10 is doing. If you prefer it to your back, then stick with W7. Obviously, you don't want either, because MS wasn't a good friend to begin with.

Critical updates still will install and reboot by self even if you set manual

I'm referring to the update service, not the update settings you get in control panel. By making the service itself manual, all updates [should] only run explicitly when you tell them to. I personally don't use Windows long enough (maybe only 3 hours at a time) for automatic updates to be an issue, so I leave them on.

yes Windows 7 have spy updates from a year ago, but they are not integrated in system, you can not install them, and about services - you need specialistic knowledge to disable them, cause you can not turn them off in service window...

I don't know enough about how W7 spies on you to comment, primarily because I just don't care. But what I do know is you still need "specialistic knowledge" to prevent the intrusions of either OS. Microsoft can collect my search info, log my websites, and take pictures of me for all I care - as long as they don't meddle with my personal life, professional life, or my PC's performance, they can do whatever they want.

Whole idea about Windows 10 drifted from original idea of operating system, now it is not a platform for programs, but service all in one, and more, soon you will not be able run what you want, but only what they allow you to run.. And you agreed for that, as you agreed on licence what allow to modify your system as they want, peoples hated vista, now if they want do vista in next updates you have no choice

Again, MS is not going to get away with it to the extent you suggest. If they try, they will fail. Even if the judicial systems across the world accept MS's plan, the customers won't. MS is a business, not a government. The customers can leave any time they want. And it wouldn't surprise me if some Russian patches Windows to avoid this issue, or maybe you uninstall an update and your PC works the way it used to.

Old specialistic drivers not working with win10 like ploter drivers, highend soundcards drivers, etc, with every update something not working, wifi drivers stop working, next update antivir crashing.... next update reboot loop and need reinstall... I goes back to windows 7 for now...

And you're entirely sure the W7 drivers didn't work? I'm using a PC over 6 years old, with some of the hardware even older. Not a single driver issue. I have another PC with even older hardware - still no driver issues. I don't use antivirus so I can't comment on that. Anyway if you did the upgrade rather than a fresh install, I can definitely see how some issues can occur. The upgrade wasn't the smoothest transition for everyone.

There is no Media Player in win10, i liked many apps of older windows, all new apps are slow and not usable, they are cripled version for tablet or smartphones

I agree, but the apps in older versions were still terrible. They were "good enough" to get the job done for most people, and I liked that they were light-weight. But really, how hard is it to supply a decent text editor or file browser?

3. Blunt privacy policy in license windows 10 what say that microsoft gather in cloud all what you do, what you click, what you have on your computer 4. Updates what you can not turn off, and you do not know what they update, and not know it will work or if you want them 5. update issues that ends with reinstall system 6. windows 10 is not finished and you are testing it for them, user interference and control panel still not complete 7. Integrated services running in backround like xbox, corthana, shop, game recording, not to mention about normal services and spy monitoring 8. disabled security configurations in home and pro version 9. MS policy that gave you no chooice, if you want dx12 you need win10 (dx12 can run on win7, russians did it) 10. Problems with old drivers and aplications 11. Plans that you will be able run only what is in MS store 12. Problems with built-in apps

For all of this i deduct that you don't have used too much W10... I just love linux it's my main OS. Right now W10 is the best windows i have ever seen and even get close to linux (but not too much 🙂 ) at some point.

For all of this i deduct that you don't have used too much W10...

I was using half year by self, but still have to maintain 500+ comp in work, and belive me windows 10 generate 10x more problems than win7, good that with enterprise version we can select updates and we have full support, but there are some core applications for marketing and directors what are not supported on win10, and spying by other country is big concern too... But what choice we have, no alternative....

But what choice we have, no alternative....

The fact your company has the time and resources to upgrade to Windows 10, and maybe revert back to 7 (you haven't made that entirely clear) suggests an alternative is a possibility. Most office PCs do not need Windows at all. For example, if MS Office is a requirement, Mac is still an option. You can run MS Office in Linux too, though not as easily. Using a non-Windows OS tends to be faster, easier, and cheaper in terms of software updates and maintenance. But, I don't know what your office uses. Obviously not every program can run on an alternative OS, but sometimes there are alternative programs that may even be better than what you have now.

...Critical updates still will install and reboot by self even if you set manual...

Must be talking about home version. Home version has always been for those that are not into tweaking windows to how they like it. The Pro version allows you to set it to just nag you that updates are available. There is even settings that you can tell it the best time for the computer to install and restart (Active Hours vs Inactive Hours). The only difference is that download and install is automatic for all the available updates. One is not able to choose which updates they want to install. The whole premise of Windows 10 is to have the same experience across all platforms. That means there will be phone and tablet settings included in the OS that have no place on a desktop. All those can be disabled. Group Policy Editor works wonders on Win 10. Like it was mentioned earlier, it is just not noob friendly. EDIT: If certain applications do not work in a business environment, then one does not upgrade the OS till those applications become compatible or another suitable application that is compatible with the new OS is found.

I think W10 is a better OS, but with Microsoft seemingly trying to reduce our settings choices on our own pc, added to the blatant data collection such as keylogging, access to email, accesss to contacts, access to all files including the ability to delete anything they want on your pc or anything connected to. Then there's the advertising, how long before they want payments to go ad-free ? It is all just a little too scary for me.

Access to email and contacts are what was mentioned as phone settings. Those can be disabled. Nothing says you need to have a Microsoft account to run Win 10. I only use a local account and the appstore apps still update, unlike win 8.1. The settings are there. Just need to know where to look in the settings sections.