NVIDIA partners halt GeForce GTX 970, 980, 980Ti production and GPU Pascal codenames surface

SirDremor

2016-04-13 08:55

I can't believe we are finally seeing the last days of 28nm GPUs! Hurray! (I am not saying they are bad, not at all, but we have been stuck with 28nm for too long!)

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sverek

2016-04-13 09:04

If they already halt production, does it mean Pascal will perform way better than current arch that it won't make sense to have those anymore or its regular routine?

#5257343

fantaskarsef

2016-04-13 09:22

Somehow I'm not sure the Ti will be based on the GP104. Because it would make the '80' card a cut down chip... does that work with production costs? Just as a guess, the GP100 ('Titan') has 3840 shader processors, I guess the GP104-400 (biggest one, 'x80 Ti') will have something close to ~3000 shaders. GP104-200 ('x80') will be cut down to ~2500 shaders then? But does it make much sense to have the 'x80' as a cut down chip? It would mean that even the GP104-150 ('x70') would be a full GP104 chip in production, then laster cut? Wouldn't that mean that it unessecarily increased the 'x80's / 'x70's chip production cost? I thought the 980Ti would only make sense because it was a cut down TitanX, making some use of faulty chips they can't put onto the top tier gaming cards / low rank professional cards. Or am I seeing it all wrong, or doesn't it make much difference in production costs?

#5257347

Koniakki

2016-04-13 09:28

I seems the time for having a Ti which was based on a Titan with a few "compromises" comes to an end. I hope I'm wrong. I would have love a 1080Ti based on Titan again with a few things cut down and 12GB HBM2. Wishful thinking I guess. We will know soon if the performance is there and it justifies their decision. I would have like some GP100. Btw, this is all based or speculations/rumors so far obviously.

...I thought the 980Ti would only make sense because it was a cut down TitanX, making some use of faulty chips they can't put onto the top tier gaming cards / low rank professional cards....

This. Also we can assume if its based on GP104 then no HBM2 for the Ti.

#5257349

k3vst3r

2016-04-13 09:34

Equivalent to GTX 980 Ti will use a GP 104-400 GPU should be 1080 Equivalent to GTX 980 will use a GP 104-200 GPU should be 1070 Equivalent to GTX 970 will use a GP 104-150 GPU should be 1060 GP 104 won't be using HBM2 GP 100 probably 6 to 12 month away yet, with plenty of HBM2 ready for production runs. GP 100 is probably the Ti and Titan naming range. GP 100 is 610mm so yield rates on brand new process easy talking 6 month minimum from now before they can get yields to an acceptable production rate.

#5257351

Fox2232

2016-04-13 09:51

I seems the time for having a Ti which was based on a Titan with a few "compromises" comes to an end. I hope I'm wrong. I would have love a 1080Ti based on Titan again with a few things cut down and 12GB HBM2. Wishful thinking I guess. We will know soon if the performance is there and it justifies their decision. I would have like some GP100. Btw, this is all based or speculations/rumors so far obviously. This. Also we can assume if its based on GP104 then no HBM2 for the Ti.

Question is, what happens with not so well working Titan GPUs? If you are not cutting defective parts into smaller (and working) GPU, where does that go? Are yields so good, that they can throw GPUs to thrash? There is either bad naming here, or we should presume that there will be yet another GPU based on cut down Biggest Pascal. Or did they conclude that Having GTX980Ti alongside Titan X was not cost efficient in contrast of having only Titan X? And they want to separate new Titan performance class more this time around?

#5257352

fantaskarsef

2016-04-13 09:52

Question is, what happens with not so well working Titan GPUs? If you are not cutting defective parts into smaller (and working) GPU, where does that go? Are yields so good, that they can throw GPUs to thrash? There is either bad naming here, or we should presume that there will be yet another GPU based on cut down Biggest Pascal. Or did they conclude that Having GTX980Ti alongside Titan X was not cost efficient in contrast of having only Titan X? And they want to separate new Titan performance class more this time around?

... or is the above 'leak' simply wrong? 🙂 The longer I think about it, the less I see the table match what I expected, or that would sound logical to me. We'll see if it's true, I can be wrong easily 😉

#5257363

Koniakki

2016-04-13 10:09

Also about the names, they aren't that bad but I would have prefer the X80, X70, X60 naming scheme. They sound a bit more "futuristic". I guess they didn't use them because there must have been some conflicts with the names rights or something. Or saving them for Volta. :P P.S: Now that they have hold Maxwell production, will everyone try to get rid of stock? In unprecedented low prices? 😀

#5257364

scoter man1

2016-04-13 10:14

Sweet! Maybe next year, after I get some post college full time money, I'll go buy a x70 equivalent again since my 970 has served me so well.

#5257365

Fox2232

2016-04-13 10:18

Also about the names, they aren't that bad but I would have prefer the X80, X70, X60 naming scheme. They sound a bit more "futuristic". I guess they didn't use them because there must have been some conflicts with the names rights or something. Or saving them for Volta. :P P.S: Now that they have hold Maxwell production, will everyone try to get rid of stock? In unprecedented low prices? 😀

ATi had X800 and it looked good. I had one, but then they had X1800 and that was not cool name. Here in Czech Republic, I expect price gouging as stock lowers.

#5257367

Koniakki

2016-04-13 10:26

ATi had X800 and it looked good. I had one, but then they had X1800 and that was not cool name.

Yeah, THOSE were the days. Had an Albatron 5600FX 128MB which I had upgraded to a Gigabyte GeForce 6800 GT 256MB at that time. I must still have it laying around somewhere irc. I think I had gotten a price for it. Can't remember. Seems decades ago. ha! Good times!

#5257382

alanm

2016-04-13 11:15

Equivalent to GTX 980 Ti will use a GP 104-400 GPU should be 1080 Equivalent to GTX 980 will use a GP 104-200 GPU should be 1070 Equivalent to GTX 970 will use a GP 104-150 GPU should be 1060 GP 104 won't be using HBM2 GP 100 probably 6 to 12 month away yet, with plenty of HBM2 ready for production runs. GP 100 is probably the Ti and Titan naming range.

My expectations as well. No point in continuing selling 980ti if a GP104 product matches or beats it at a similar or lower price. Same with 980/970. Also think the 1070/1060 will out-perform the 980/970 and may probably be at the current 970/960 price points.

#5257391

Stormyandcold

2016-04-13 11:36

Hopefully with this die-shrink, we'll also see some mxm cards for laptops. Double-performance of my GTX980m would be amazing.

#5257411

nz3777

2016-04-13 12:30

Sorry for the stupid question but this die-shrink to pascal is 14nm or 16nm? Or something else? Looks like I will be either buying a used 980 ti or I will wait for new Gpu's to hit the market next time I upgrade,my 780 has served me well thus far.

#5257425

Marringu

2016-04-13 12:56

Sorry for the stupid question but this die-shrink to pascal is 14nm or 16nm? Or something else? Looks like I will be either buying a used 980 ti or I will wait for new Gpu's to hit the market next time I upgrade,my 780 has served me well thus far.

Pascal will use 16nm fabrication, Polaris will use 14nm.

#5257436

Denial

2016-04-13 13:39

So the rumors go from Nvidia releasing in late Q3 to releasing in June? I wish a ran a blog site like that. I wonder how much they pull in from advertising for just making stuff up.

#5257439

fantaskarsef

2016-04-13 13:42

So the rumors go from Nvidia releasing in late Q3 to releasing in June? I wish a ran a blog site like that. I wonder how much they pull in from advertising for just making stuff up.

At times I think working like that keeps half the web running. At other times, I wonder how one could work irl like this and not get fired each week. Lastly, I wonder how I can live off something like this too 🙂 Well, there's always the chance to paperlaunch in late June (so they can say they did it in Q2), with card availability getting better in late July / early August (Q3).

#5257492

ManofGod

2016-04-13 15:37

Equivalent to GTX 980 Ti will use a GP 104-400 GPU should be 1080 Equivalent to GTX 980 will use a GP 104-200 GPU should be 1070 Equivalent to GTX 970 will use a GP 104-150 GPU should be 1060 GP 104 won't be using HBM2 GP 100 probably 6 to 12 month away yet, with plenty of HBM2 ready for production runs. GP 100 is probably the Ti and Titan naming range. GP 100 is 610mm so yield rates on brand new process easy talking 6 month minimum from now before they can get yields to an acceptable production rate.

So, essentially, the prices will sky rocket shortly after release in a similar fashion to the R9 290/x did with the bitcoin craze? Either way, to whoever gets one at release, enjoy. (I will be sticking with my 980 Ti setup for a long time to come.)

#5257524

PrMinisterGR

2016-04-13 17:00

If they already halt production, does it mean Pascal will perform way better than current arch that it won't make sense to have those anymore or its regular routine?

If it is true, it means that performance-wise the new lineup covers the old one and that NVIDIA will present a full scale from the 950 to the Titan X equivalent.

So the rumors go from Nvidia releasing in late Q3 to releasing in June? I wish a ran a blog site like that. I wonder how much they pull in from advertising for just making stuff up.

It's called clickbaiting and it is an artform. :eyebrows:

#5257621

Fender178

2016-04-13 20:58

Looks like a 1080 is in my future. Ether way you look at it will be good increase over my r9 290 card.