mackintosh:

Considering Coinbase is about to be listed on NASDAQ, I wouldn't hold my breath on this getting better anywhere in the near future.

Unless there is universal acceptance of BTC or any crypto currency always there is risk involved and therefore its open to manipulation and fluctuations and Coinbase NASDAQ listing won't change that, maybe I'm just wrong in that but let's see Hope this helps Thanks, Jura

The stock market is what it is, but having a major player listed on NYSE will certainly raise awareness and get even more people interested in speculating on crypto.

jura11:

Let's see, if PoW has changes to PoS later this year we will see significant drop in mining on GPUs

But my question is why do you think this to be the case? I mine on pool - nicehash, if ETH vanished tomorrow it would just automatically switch to the next best paying coin (RVN) which isn't that far behind ETH anyway.

Rich people got bored during the pandemic. As soon as there's actual things to invest in again, people won't dump so much into a highly volatile "maybe". There can't possibly be anyone out there that thinks this is the future of currency in any way, shape or form. It's pure speculation like tulip bulbs.

on the red side they've got the best high-end card since 2013 on the green side they've got 3070 that matches 2080ti for half the price,more and more games incorporating dlss and yet I'm forced to sit this one out.just great.

Denial:

But my question is why do you think this to be the case? I mine on pool - nicehash, if ETH vanished tomorrow it would just automatically switch to the next best paying coin (RVN) which isn't that far behind ETH anyway.

As I said let's see,I don't mine on my GPUs and I never will do that, I do tests thermals of VRAM in mining for people for which I building PC and I assume that they will use PC for mining rather than rendering and I have few friends who are how to say it politely pro miners and they literally invested crazy money in GPUs for mining and I do help them with repad or troubleshooting etc, off course I don't do that for free hahaha Why I think is the case, not everyone is mining on NiceHash, many people use Mining pools like Ethermine or Flexpool etc and don't think so they will move to NiceHash as my friend told me, he will sell his GPUs as he already recouped some money from mining and plus difficulty once people move on other coins again your now good profit in that coin will be just not worth it to mine and then you have ASIC Hope this helps Thanks, Jura

H83:

Like some members have already said before, this is the perfect time to explore our existing games library, specially those games we never paid too much attention.

Also a good time to look into indie games, since they're usually a lot less demanding. I tend to prefer them anyway, since they have to focus on interesting ideas and enjoyable gameplay in order to stand out. Many AAA titles have amazing production quality, but that's all they have going for them.

Silva:

Everyone hopeful Intel will be of help. Everyone forgetting who Intel is. If the shortage continues, Intel will charge what it wants.

I disagree. Intel is larger than many people here think they are, in the sense that they're not just a CPU company. They make many different products, and most of them don't receive the same treatment as their CPUs. Their SSDs are competitively priced for their performance and durability. Their NICs are reliable and affordable. Their efforts in microcontrollers, while failed, opened doors to new opportunities. Back when they made motherboards, they were surprisingly cheap (though, the quality sucked too). Their CPU division doesn't represent the whole company. Just because that division lacks innovation, progress, or marketing competence, that doesn't mean the GPU division will be the same. Intel knows people are doubtful about how good it'll be and they know they have a lot of catching up to do. They can't pull the same BS they do with their CPUs if they expect to succeed. But let's for a moment say I'm very wrong: Intel will still be of help in this situation. So long as the GPUs aren't produced by TSMC, Intel will be taking some of the load off of GPUs that are produced by TSMC. That means more availability.

I'm gonna start saving for rtx 4090.

0blivious:

Rich people got bored during the pandemic. As soon as there's actual things to invest in again, people won't dump so much into a highly volatile "maybe". There can't possibly be anyone out there that thinks this is the future of currency in any way, shape or form. It's pure speculation like tulip bulbs.

Now that big money is in, 'use cases' of each crypto project will determine their viability. Not every crypto wants to be like Bitcoin, where it's only feasible purpose right now is being a store-of-value(however you want to interpret that), or that it's mining network consumes more power than the whole of Argentina. There are many projects out there that wants to be unique and solve real world problems, while the others live side by side existing products while incorporating blockchain, all at the same time not using an ounce of gpu power. And speaking of future currencies, take for example Electra Protocol, a cryptocurrency that aims to be a global payment leader, competing with the likes of Visa and Mastercard. They're already part of the Electronic Transactions Association(https://www.electran.org/), and are moving steadily up, development-wise. Also, Coinbase just went IPO, which is a big first step for crypto as a whole. Moving forward, tulips or not, crypto is definitely here to stay. Disclaimer: Not financial advice https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952 https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/14/business/stock-market-today https://electrafoundation.medium.com/electra-joins-global-electronic-transactions-association-314ff4e6931b

Denial:

But my question is why do you think this to be the case? I mine on pool - nicehash, if ETH vanished tomorrow it would just automatically switch to the next best paying coin (RVN) which isn't that far behind ETH anyway.

And when I consider big producers of prebuilt PCs drastically increasing their sales. I do think, they would try to use their influence to get more GPUs, so they can sell even more PCs. With this shortage, even shops selling DIY parts realized that they get more profit as they sell GPU within PC they build. As they could get away with higher price tag than in situation people can easily get just GPUs. Many players realized they can make more money as long as end user can't buy GPU separately. People buying product have option to not buy at bad price. But they too often bend or do not know they are paying bad price. And not buying badly priced products is only way out of this when demand for GPUs capable to mine crypto goes down even a bit. We are literally within WoW looting system and people press wrong buttons.

I have no time to play lately, so I've been using Geforce Now for casual gaming... better than paying 1000eu for a GPU in the meantime

DannyD:

I'm gonna start saving for rtx 4090.

This one?: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/the-brand-new-nvidia-rtx-4090.437408/ :D But who could foresee this? I am honest: I thought another flood or outage would come first. Well ...

386SX:

This one?: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/the-brand-new-nvidia-rtx-4090.437408/ :D But who could foresee this? I am honest: I thought another flood or outage would come first. Well ...

The 3090 hasn't been too bad for availability, so my thinking is the 4090 should be about the same, apart from the $2000 price tag no doubt. I could save couple months for a 3090 right now but don't really need one.:)

Bitcoin Mining Could Derail China’s Climate Goals, New Study Says https://weather.com/science/environment/video/bitcoin-mining-could-derail-chinas-climate-goals-new-study-says Just something I came across surfing........

DannyD:

The 3090 hasn't been too bad for availability, so my thinking is the 4090 should be about the same, apart from the $2000 price tag no doubt. I could save couple months for a 3090 right now but don't really need one.:)

Well yeah not surprising that a 2k card is available , on the other hand 3060ti goes for 1200 so 2k for a 3090 seems fine with yhe state of the market 😏but yeah as things go i will be most likely extending the service of my 1060 to get a 4060 or 70 ....i am not paying current prices i prefer to not game.

We can't buy cards. So we are saving money. And when the shortages finish, we will 'attack' the market, and create new shortages.

Good thing I have a back log of games to finish that run just fine on my 2080 Supers. I just barely finished Cyberpunk 2077 (corpo path) a few weeks ago. I still have Wolfenstein Youngblood (finished the campaign, just working through the remaining missions) , Assassin's Creed Valhalla, and Horizon Zero Dawn to work through.

@schmidtbag Are you really that naive? Do you know who is charge of Intel GPU division? Also don't forget all Intel fabs are at full capacity, taking load out of TSMC? lmao. Intel won't make any difference, at least not until covid is gone: that will take a couple of years, if not a decade.

Silva:

@schmidtbag Are you really that naive? Do you know who is charge of Intel GPU division? Also don't forget all Intel fabs are at full capacity, taking load out of TSMC? lmao. Intel won't make any difference, at least not until covid is gone: that will take a couple of years, if not a decade.

I knew you were biased but damn... at least try to consider how businesses and S&D operate... What does Koduri have to do with anything I said? Intel's fabs are at full capacity but have you not considered that as new products are released, older products get phased out? It's not like Intel just keeps tacking on more things to manufacture. Besides, they are slowly and steadily increasing their yield, which means more product to be sold. The products Intel is using TSMC for are not currently being sold and will not be for consumer-grade products, so that has very little impact on the GPUs they manufacture for us. Supply will eventually keep up with demand. A lot of the problem is that we had compelling new-generation CPUs, GPUs, and consoles, all released in the same year when crypto mining bubbled and when there suddenly became a higher demand for cars with advanced computers. As enough people get their hands on what they want, sales will slow down. It's probably going to be another year or two when supply stabilizes but a decade? Not sure where you're getting that from.

@schmidtbag do you have any idea what you're talking about? Why am I biased and to what? I don't give a f about the brand posted on my products if not for quality (looking at you Asus, never again). Koduri is the reason Radeon toke several years to recover, under the supervision of AMD CEO. Ya RX480 was cool at the time, but the high end... Yes, they stop producing 10000 series CPUs and start producing 11000 series. Xenon too. For them to take production out of CPUs to make GPUs, it will turn everything more expensive: as less CPUs are made and GPUs have bigger dies. What do you think Intel yields are? They've been on 14nm for 6 years, they can't go over 100%. They already bin very efficiently, that's why you have a billion different SKUs with different core count and on/off iGPU. As if supply can keep up with current demand, have you forgot we are in the middle of a pandemic? People buy electronics to have online classes, work and for entertainment purposes. Meanwhile even miners are getting gaming laptops... The problem is not compelling products, you have that all generations. It's the pandemic, people are at home and want entertainment. Oh, and car computers: the foundries purposely lowered production expecting less costumers (due to covid) so they wouldn't have high stock and the price plummeted. Instead the car manufacturers didn't close (due to covid), neither the production slowed down. As you know, takes a couple months to make the chips so when they found out the fabs still needed the chips they were months behind schedule. I was talking about the pandemic, that will take years if not a decade. Meanwhile, it will affect everything, from supply chain to prices.