Nvidia halts tests of self-driving cars after Uber accident
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Denial
For people questioning the road visibility:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/police-chief-said-uber-victim-came-from-the-shadows-dont-believe-it/
Texter
Yeah the reality of the situation is even worse for Uber. If you already looked at the TV footage from the aftermath which is much, much brighter...regardless of TV camera mojo, that road is so well lit that she must have been visible by human eyes from a MILE away on that road. Urban street lighting doesn't get much better than that. Even if the driver's eyes weren't adapted to the dark because she'd been staring at a lit phone screen, the lighting conditions should have been more than adequate for both the driver and that Uber car. Night vision assistance software on a Mercedes/Audi/BMW/Cadillac would have already identified her from at least 100-200 meters distance and ultimately ring a bell after highlighting her on the viewscreen. Not to mention their anti-collision radars would have stopped those cars, including what's on modern Volvo's. I don't know WTH Uber/nVidia are doing with those Uber car Volvo's but they've definitely screwed up the existing assistance systems badly. Not a single modern car available today with what are now common collision protection systems would have hit that pedestrian. It's probably why Jen Hsun Huang proudly present a 'CAR GPU' then 'clusters four of them' then within six months announces the next chip and clusters four of those again and only to announce even more new chips to come and a three year period before he thinks he can let cars drive autonomously from A to B training them with VR. So WTF were those Uber cars doing on the road? Marketing?!?
cowie
Moofachuka
Perhaps heat sensor would've saved her? Dunno...
cowie
wait I just seen the vid I can see the shadow of the lady from the headlights in the road, the vid on yt that is posted of the same area.
no way could you see a defined shadow with that much light
plus the Interior vid shows no such lights on in the roadway, so all the cameras were not working?.
not sure whats up with that
schmidtbag
jaggerwild
What we really need is another video of the actual accident, why is a woman walking her bike across a road(not at a intersection)? I do not think Uber's video is useful as it only shows one sided what happened, I saw the video on the news(I'm on slow internet). She did not see the car till it almost hit her or the last second, I'd think had she seen the car she would of ran across or headed back.
Of course a few people are gonna die till this stuff is perfected, like the self driving truck. Real World testing...........
warlord
AI if not hacked or broken is more reliable than humans, because human behavior or nature is purely unpredictable. I don't see any problems here. Nvidia acts like a non science company. I dare to question their degrees and doctorates there.
RzrTrek
Why halt development just because of one maniac walking in the street?
Denial
wavetrex
I personally am PRO technology and hope these problems are getting worked out, and that is especially because I can't drive (medical condition). I'm really hoping that one day I will be able to go places in a driverless car, something which right now I can't do.
So it really saddens me when stuff like this delays this necessary progress.
But ignoring personal opinions, it's about the OVERALL state of things, that human drivers kill A LOT of pedestrains all the time, and it's mostly the fault of both (driver and pedestrian), and advanced computers could reduce that number by huge amounts, making an accident like this seem like world-worthy news.
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What did I see happening in this case ?
- Person behind the wheel was OBVIOUSLY texting during the event ( https://twitter.com/TempePolice/status/976585098542833664 ) - She was not paying ANY attention on the road. Text & Drive accident. Wasn't her job to watch the road and act on events during the testing? Negligence @ work.
- Car hardware/software failed, did not take any action to avoid accident
- Woman crossing was traversing on an inappropriate location ( random place, no markings, anything ). Nobody would expect someone crossing at that location
- The same woman crossing was also not paying attention to the road whatsoever, she might as well be looking at her phone ? She didn't even TRY to slow down or jump or anything, simply walked with her bike right in front of the car, looking in the other direction (or downwards).
Who's most guilty in my opinion ?
1) That poor soul who died. It all started with her crossing like an idiot in an inappropriate place.
2) Supervision driver, who was texting - She's currently the legal "driver" of the car, no matter of electronic enhancements. The video clearly shows she wasn't paying attention to the road
I don't blame the technology whatsoever ! It's NOT the car's fault ! The entire purpose of the tests are to determine faults in the hardware/software.
We don't blame a gun for launching a bullet at somebody. We blame the person who pulled the trigger !
cowie
oh that bitch was texting? what a c
this lady may have came out of no where but think if it was a wandering young kid or a cow doing the same.
fix that sht and make sure there are no cell phones on board. whats the sense in testing with a human on board if they become pre occupied
first time I ever tried to text and drive I almost took out 3 parked cars so I don't do that any more.
people died getting to the moon but they did not give up but sure as day it was a set back.
still spotty if I can admit the bright light vids into play
Solfaur
A human driver would have done the same in 99% of cases, but the fault is 100% the victim's. No driver would have gone to jail for running someone over in this situation unless drunk/speeding.
Now this doesn't mean that the car sensors can't be improved to overcome even situations like this, but the media bashing for autonomous cars is like always, totally overblown. Literally thousands of people die of similar car accidents every single day. My first lesson as a kid was to learn how to properly cross the street...
Texter
schmidtbag
scatman839
Fox2232
tsunami231
not even a person would be able to stop in time avoid that, but camera should be able to pick this stuff out alot easier then human, I not really sure what i think about self driving cars, On the one hand I dont drive should this could be good thing, then again I dont like the idea of everything being connect to internet or some hub, makes thing much easier to "manuplate"
wavetrex
schmidtbag
Clippy.
lol, now I'm imagining Clippy asking that, except paraphrased as "It looks like you're trying to kill yourself. Do you need assistance?"
Ironically, you then kill yourself just to get away from Clippy.
At least in some countries, jaywalking is illegal. I know, it's not the same thing (nor does it actually help), but sadly, people would just override/ignore it to avoid the notification like they do with seatbelts or safety googles or