Kaarme:

Yeah, over the last couple of years I've abandoned the idea of getting an 8GB card. 12GB probably would still be enough for me, seeing how I'm rocking a trusty old 1080p screen.

Im playing at 1440 uw so 3440x1440 and i used rtx3070 a month ago. As you can probably guess experience was not that great. I had issues in most games i play. Stuttering, low memory warnings, rt was out of question as it uses even more memory. I actually swapped it for a 6700xt free of charge from my friend who sells gpus. Its much better now. 😀

3070 is worth more used than 6700xt. Not only that, it's faster and has better features. You gave in to developers' doing a crappy job by releasing unfinished games to cash in early, then fixing them over the course of the next few months.

cucaulay malkin:

3070 is worth more used than 6700xt. Not only that, it's faster and has better features. You gave in to developers' doing a crappy job by releasing unfinished games to cash in early, then fixing them over the course of the next few months.

It's cherry picking scenario to make himself feel better 😉. 3070 is better than 6700XT in 99% of the time, he just picked the last 1% to justify his 6700XT

Kaarme:

So, countries should lower their taxes to allow multi-billion corporations to make more profit? Any other bright ideas.

@Kaarme seem's to be confused, YOU/the consumer are paying the VAT, the evil scary corporation that makes everything you willingly buy is not. It's called a consumption tax, feel free to ask questions below and I'll happily google you the answer. https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/vat-value-added-tax https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53334098

VAT is ultimately collected by the state, it's an easy way to repair the budget a little.

Kaarme:

If it was 700 dollars in the USA, it would be over 860 euros over here. 4070 Ti can be bought for a little under 1000 euros at the very cheapest. Although it would still be a disgusting price, but I hope 4070 would start from 700-750 euros at max. However, I hear leather jackets are awfully expensive these days, so I don't expect Jensen to be able to set such a "low" price.

Looking at the money American Pickers spend on ***** i would not be surprised if good condition Fisher Price Leather Jackets sell for a fortune.

Undying:

But it looses to 3090 and 3090ti which was supposed to beat. At 4k its severly bandwidth limited and soon memory limited even at 1440p. I would not buy such a card for 900eur.

Anyone with the slightest amount of tech knowledge knows the 4070 Ti is meant for gaming at 1440P.

Why_Me:

Anyone with the slightest amount of tech knowledge knows the 4070 Ti is meant for gaming at 1440P.

When certain parasitic fanboys can use "lackluster" 4k performance to bash a card, they will and do. What a card is designed for, doesn't matter to these people. The worst thing about it is there is absolutely nothing good (*or informative) about it, and it only hurts the hobby in general.

Why_Me:

Anyone with the slightest amount of tech knowledge knows the 4070 Ti is meant for gaming at 1440P.

True. The problem is that the 4070ti is priced like a 4k card!!! So the point remains valid.

H83:

True. The problem is that the 4070ti is priced like a 4k card!!! So the point remains valid.

Completely agree that goes for 4070 too. Don't know what I'm gonna do I can't afford these damn things, but not totally sure I would if I had the money too not at these prices some things are worth it these are not, to me anyway.

People who use 4K for benching 4070ti are right though, a 900eur 1440p card ? good grief..... still, I'd rather use 4070Ti for 4K, same performance as 7900XT, lower power, dlss stomps fsr. Their performance at 4K still requires upscaling for both 4070Ti and 7900XT, and nvidia has a better technique atm.

Brasky:

@Kaarme seem's to be confused, YOU/the consumer are paying the VAT, the evil scary corporation that makes everything you willingly buy is not. It's called a consumption tax, feel free to ask questions below and I'll happily google you the answer. https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/vat-value-added-tax https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53334098

Thanks for trying to give me lectures, but I merely think on a little bit deeper level than you do. If an expensive product is made significantly cheaper because there's no high VAT in the price, it will sell more because the price is more attractive, and simply because more people can afford it. When more units are sold, the manufacturer makes more profit. The more expensive models also carry a higher profit margin per unit. You talk like the VAT has got nothing to do with the manufacturers/dealers, but everything that makes products more expensive affects the sales.

H83:

True. The problem is that the 4070ti is priced like a 4k card!!! So the point remains valid.

The RTX 3080 Ti 12GB had an MSRP of $1200 and the 4070 Ti stomps it in both 1440P and 4K.

Undying:

But it looses to 3090 and 3090ti which was supposed to beat. At 4k its severly bandwidth limited and soon memory limited even at 1440p. I would not buy such a card for 900eur.

I'm not saying the card is worth it or not, but i don't believe the 4070 ti was ever labeled as a 4K card, in fact nvidias own website compares it with 1440p. Not to say it can't do 4K, and often is the winner at 4K vs the 3090 and 3090 ti, but really shines at 1440p. If anyone is buying a 4070 ti as a "This is a 4K card, that's why i want it", they got their priorities wrong. Again, it can do 4K, it can even do it quite nicely, but even when it was labeled as a 4080 12GB, it was not "the card you want to get if you want to play in 4K" By adding that metric, you could just as well say "Well the 3090 and 3090 ti beat the 4070 ti at 8K and 12K so therefore it sucks"...what's the point? But again, to focus on your last point that it's "memory limited at 4K and soon even at 1440p", i don't know what reviews you have been looking at, so i'm just going to reflect on guru3D's reviews, the 4070 ti meets, or beats the 3090 ti at 4K in the majority of games, it's basically a 3090 ti for 4K performance, which cost at MSRP $1999, down to $799, and while i don't disagree that it shouldn't be cheaper, a xx70 card costing MSRP of $800 is out there, hence the reason i'm not saying the card is worth it or not, there's not a whole lot to "hate" about it when comparing to the 3090 or 3090 ti. And yes, i know, there are outliers, there always is, for instance this one https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=84933 The issue with that one though, is, it's not the majority of games, and there are games that also do the opposite https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=84936 So this really just puts the 4070 ti right back where it is and always will be, around the 3090 ti performance, not really suffering from the less vram or lower bandwidth. And it certainly does not "lose to the 3090 and 3090 ti at 4k"

V1CT1MISED:

Since getting a 7900 XTX I have realised how low 8gb really is. Even 12Gb isn't going to be enough for 4K. I saw highs of 17Gb VRAM usage in the RE4 demo at max settings with RT.

Not a good thing to pay attention to when you're looking at the importance of VRAM or even RAM for that matter. A game, or application, can put whatever it wants into either of those, even if it doesn't need it, even if it doesn't benefit from it performance wise. This happens a lot, and is most noticeable with RAM, where you put 8GB of ram and a game uses 7GB, making you assume if you had 4GB of ram, it'd cause issues, and so you try it and your performance is exactly the same. This obviously isn't always the case, the line between what the program can use and what it needs isn't obvious. But there is a BIG difference between what a program can use, and what will change the performance. A perfect example of this that has been benchmarked many times is GTA 5, which will use 9GB+ memory easily, yet has no real performance degradation from only having 8GB, or even 4GB of ram in the system. Same thing applies to vram. Look at performance, not technical numbers.

Undying:

Im playing at 1440 uw so 3440x1440 and i used rtx3070 a month ago. As you can probably guess experience was not that great. I had issues in most games i play. Stuttering, low memory warnings, rt was out of question as it uses even more memory.

Not sure what your issues were, my wife as a 3070 and ultra wide at 3440x1440, just the same as you, with a 5600x processor, never once had any issue with any game she plays. And she plays a lot, with the settings as high as is reasonable for a 3070 (which is pretty much cranked on most games) Only game she can't really crank is ARK, but lets be honest the only card that can really crank ARK is the 4090.... lol But yeah, definitely no stuttering, never once a "low memory warning", and any chance she can get she enables ray tracing, her favorite, though obviously without DLSS 3.0 not the "best" experience, was portal RTX...but that's just cause she loves that game I also used a 3070 for a few months, same resolution, only difference was a 5900x CPU, and can also attest, none of the issues you had i had. And i always run games max, no matter what. My philosophy is: If i can't play a game cranked, i won't play it until i can.

H83:

True. The problem is that the 4070ti is priced like a 4k card!!! So the point remains valid.

By that measure, i could say an 8800 Ultra was a horrible card because it couldn't do 4K yet it was "priced like a 4k card" What you're doing is just moving the goal post, if pricing of cards were based off of what resolution they could run, we'd have some HEFTY HEFTY priced cards, as $500+ use to be the 1080p range, heck 720p use to be the "omg i can't believe this card runs this game at 720p!" so by that measure i guess 4K cards should cost $4000+? Not to mention that if the 3090 and 3090 ti were 4K cards at $1500 and $2000, and are similar in performance to the 4070 ti at 4K but is $800, then that means what you want is what you got: 4K performance, for less. Again, not saying the card should or should not be cheaper, but just on a more realistic side, how about we all just look at what the 4070 ti was, rather then wasn't, it was: A card that has similar performance to the 3090 and 3090 ti at all resolutions, lower resolutions really hitting the 3090 and 3090 ti hard, at $800 instead of $1500 or $2000. $800 not a price you want to spend? Alright, then the 3090 and 3090 ti are not cards you should be comparing it to since you wouldn't want to spend $1500 or $2000 on a GPU either. I really kind of wish that we'd get away from the whole numbering schemes of graphics card, for one reason only: The whole "But it's a 70 series card! i could never spend that for a 70 series card!!!!" When realistically the only metric is: Price to performance Because in the end who really cares what a card is named? The only thing that matters is the price to performance. Don't like the performance you are getting from the price? Don't buy it, simple as that. Don't like a card because of its naming compared to the price? This should absolutely never be a decision. I'd buy a RTX 5010 if it fit my needs for the price, because who cares about the name.

Kaarme:

Thanks for trying.

I do what I can, good luck out there.

Aura89:

By that measure, i could say an 8800 Ultra was a horrible card because it couldn't do 4K yet it was "priced like a 4k card" What you're doing is just moving the goal post, if pricing of cards were based off of what resolution they could run, we'd have some HEFTY HEFTY priced cards, as $500+ use to be the 1080p range, heck 720p use to be the "omg i can't believe this card runs this game at 720p!" so by that measure i guess 4K cards should cost $4000+? Not to mention that if the 3090 and 3090 ti were 4K cards at $1500 and $2000, and are similar in performance to the 4070 ti at 4K but is $800, then that means what you want is what you got: 4K performance, for less. Again, not saying the card should or should not be cheaper, but just on a more realistic side, how about we all just look at what the 4070 ti was, rather then wasn't, it was: A card that has similar performance to the 3090 and 3090 ti at all resolutions, lower resolutions really hitting the 3090 and 3090 ti hard, at $800 instead of $1500 or $2000. $800 not a price you want to spend? Alright, then the 3090 and 3090 ti are not cards you should be comparing it to since you wouldn't want to spend $1500 or $2000 on a GPU either. I really kind of wish that we'd get away from the whole numbering schemes of graphics card, for one reason only: The whole "But it's a 70 series card! i could never spend that for a 70 series card!!!!" When realistically the only metric is: Price to performance Because in the end who really cares what a card is named? The only thing that matters is the price to performance. Don't like the performance you are getting from the price? Don't buy it, simple as that. Don't like a card because of its naming compared to the price? This should absolutely never be a decision. I'd buy a RTX 5010 if it fit my needs for the price, because who cares about the name.

If i`m moving the goal posts then you are playing a different game , because comparing a 8800 ultra to a 4070ti makes no sense. The first was an uber high card, capable of delivering the 4k experience of the time of it`s release, full HD at 60 frames, if i`m not mistaken. The later is a mid range card being sold at the same price of high end cards, without the specs and performance to match it`s price. As for the 4070ti delivering the same performance of the 3090, that`s the expected with newer cards otherwise it wouldn`t make any sense to buy a new card if it offered the same performance of the card before. And regarding the important metric of price to performance, the 4070ti delivers 50% of the performance of the 4090 at 50% of the price, but in the days of the 8800 ultra, we could buy a 8800gt that delivered 70/80% performance of the ultra at a third of the cost! I remember this well because i`ve bought a 8800gt on it`s release. So the price performance of the 4070ti is actually very bad. Even worse, the 4070 comes with a low amount of RAM and a low amount of memory bandwith, clear weak points that i think are going to make the card age badly, but i could be wrong about this. Bottom line, i don`t dislike the 4070ti because of it`s name, i don`t like it because of it`s price and because Nvidia crippled the card to protect the status quo of the higher cards. No problem if you disagree with me, but this is my opinion about this card.