Lol 😀 uv figured me out man hehehe.. 😀 tnx man i needed that 😀

Jcegeland:

Aura89. seriously maybe you should consider taking a chillpill or something. you choosed to react to peoples personal opinions in a forumpost. i can compare whatever i want. you have a different opinion than me and thats fine by me, but you are getting it confuzed if you think you can tell me what i can or cannot say. I see no point in arguing with you further. have a nice day.

He's right though! .....say I gave $75 for my "used" 1060 then my deal is better than yours.... faster and cheaper.....

Wow this card is way to close to the 1660 in price to ever make sense, Go home Nvidia you're drunk. For 130$ this card would be great in my modified make up box pc that I hopefully plan to submit for rotm soon.

airbud7:

He's right though! .....say I gave $75 for my "used" 1060 then my deal is better than yours.... faster and cheaper.....

I think we need to get the hardware makers to realize that what people care about is price to performence ratio and that we got a used market full of cheaper gpu`s that can directly compete with there low to mid tier and sometimes even high tier, hopefully they will in time realize that they need to up their game. I personally think the prices on the newest gpu`s are beginning to get pretty insane and especially in their high tier. 1000$ + for not even a titan card is like wuuuuuuttt??? faster and cheaper is allways better 😉

Jcegeland:

I think we need to get the hardware makers to realize that what people care about is price to performence ratio and that we got a used market full of cheaper gpu`s that can directly compete with there low to mid tier and sometimes even high tier, hopefully they will in time realize that they need to up their game. I personally think the prices on the newest gpu`s are beginning to get pretty insane and especially in their high tier. 1000$ + for not even a titan card is like wuuuuuuttt??? faster and cheaper is allways better 😉

I can agree with that^.... PS: welcome to the forums

There's more than straight performance. My son has a machine with a 770 in it that I picked up second hand a year or two ago, the card has 3 fans, is about a foot long, and uses 200W in power. I'm betting that wouldn't fit in a lot of cheaper machines - the market for a 1650 are much less likely to have huge boxes with massive psu's and really good airflow. A 1650 almost certainly will need none of that. Then there's new DX support, several years of warranty, etc. That said if you can fit a big power hungry card there are going to be better options, my 770 is about to be replaced for a RX 580 4GB that I got new for less then £100. note: 770 is still surprisingly capable but the 2GB of memory was finally starting to get problematic.

airbud7:

He's right though! .....say I gave $75 for my "used" 1060 then my deal is better than yours.... faster and cheaper.....

If that's the entire scope of what you're analyzing then sure. But used hardware is cheaper for a slew of reasons.

Jcegeland:

I think we need to get the hardware makers to realize that what people care about is price to performence ratio and that we got a used market full of cheaper gpu`s that can directly compete with there low to mid tier and sometimes even high tier, hopefully they will in time realize that they need to up their game. I personally think the prices on the newest gpu`s are beginning to get pretty insane and especially in their high tier. 1000$ + for not even a titan card is like wuuuuuuttt??? faster and cheaper is allways better 😉

That's not how markets work, otherwise, everyone would only buy used hardware. If people are fine with using the same [literally] old hardware, progress won't be made. Yes, it sucks that high-end GPUs cost $800+ but as long as people willingly buy them, the price is justified. Why do people buy these products? Because it's better than anything else out there. I'm sure I could find another used GPU better and cheaper than your 770. Does that mean what you got was overpriced? No, because the price of used products varies so drastically that they're completely irrelevant to compare to. It is plain and simply unreasonable to compare prices of new hardware to old hardware of similar performance. And I barely scratched the surface on the issues surrounding supply and demand... I have a BOINC rig with 2x GPUs in it that were once worth $1000 a piece (a FirePro and a Quadro). The FirePro alone can perform certain work units almost as fast as a GTX 1080. I paid $35 for that GPU, including shipping, because it had a defective fan. By your logic, are you telling me a 1080 should've been worth less than half its MSRP, because of one benchmark on a 6-year-old semi-faulty GPU? Because even though the 1080 was overpriced, it wasn't $250-$300 overpriced.

Strange Times:

nice april joke nvidia

So... does that mean the past several years have been April 1st? Please tell me yes. I can't take it anymore.

Aura89:

If its greedy, people won't buy it so it doesn't matter. If people buy it, its not greedy.

Absolute nonsense. If there is little to no alternative, people will buy it, no matter how quantifiably greedy/scummy it is. It's not just "greedy", these nVidia prices are literally as high as they can push them before they calculate they will lose potential profit. They have an entire division devoted to these profit estimates and how they can fuck with and manipulate their customer base. They know they can make equal net profit annually at a lower price per item because they'd sell more units, but they never go for that approach and prefer to sell fewer even if they estimate it won't have an impact on future sales/upgrades. Maybe you're forgetting that nVidia hold a near-monopoly. Would the market be in the same galaxy of scumfuckery if there were 2 viable competitors? I bet my $1000 mid-range GPU that it wouldn't.

Neo Cyrus:

Absolute nonsense.

Sorry that you don't understand economics or reality, you may want to get that fixed.

Aura89:

Sorry that you don't understand economics or reality, you may want to get that fixed.

It seems we live in different realities. Yours sounds better. Wanna trade?

I would argue it's worse because they basically sold the cards on a lie. They presented all these slides of upcoming games with RTX, DLSS - showed before/after images of DLSS in static camera-on-rail demos (best case scenarios). Six months later almost none of it materialized. Out of 21+9 announced games with RTX/DLSS only what, 6 are out? Even in the ones its in it's plagued with issues to the point where they had to come out with an entire FAQ on when/how DLSS works. I love the tech but it's shitty to sell inflated prices on promises then not deliver.

Aura89:

MSRP gets compared to MSRP only.

Three years ago MSRP of GTX1050Ti was $139 and that was already inflated by BTC. $109 for not much slower non-Ti version.

Neo Cyrus:

It seems we live in different realities. Yours sounds better. Wanna trade?

Aura89:

Sorry that you don't understand economics or reality, you may want to get that fixed.

Let's be civil guys.

vbetts:

Let's be civil guys.

No worries, I'm not offended, I don't care. He feels pretty strongly that that's how economics work. Everything in economy classes tells me otherwise.

to be honest here you can buy 2 580's or 2 1060's "used" for this price....always nice to have a spare.... We know that....

Neo Cyrus:

No worries, I'm not offended, I don't care. He feels pretty strongly that that's how economics work. Everything in economy classes tells me otherwise.

Most economy classes are based on the faulty trickle down model.

Man if the benchmarks are true this would be a tad disappointing because I was looking for an upgrade to my 1050 in my emulation/simulation box I was hoping for a card that would be better than a 1050 ti but is sightly under it. I am waiting for final benchmarks from reviewers who get the cards to benchmark and then I will make my final decision. To me these results can be taken with a grain of salt for right now. What makes no sense that the price of this card is the same as a 1050 ti. If you get the small LP 1050 ti from Newegg.

Fender178:

Man if the benchmarks are true this would be a tad disappointing because I was looking for an upgrade to my 1050 in my emulation/simulation box I was hoping for a card that would be better than a 1050 ti but is sightly under it. I am waiting for final benchmarks from reviewers who get the cards to benchmark and then I will make my final decision. To me these results can be taken with a grain of salt for right now. What makes no sense that the price of this card is the same as a 1050 ti. If you get the small LP 1050 ti from Newegg.

What exactly are you emulating that a 1050Ti can't handle? That should be all the power you need for any emulator that's actually usable (that I'm aware of). Also, emulators like Dolphin support DX12 and I think Vulkan, so if you're not using either of those (because of using Windows 7 for example) you could be missing out on some performance gains.

schmidtbag:

What exactly are you emulating that a 1050Ti can't handle? That should be all the power you need for any emulator that's actually usable (that I'm aware of). Also, emulators like Dolphin support DX12 and I think Vulkan, so if you're not using either of those (because of using Windows 7 for example) you could be missing out on some performance gains.

Yeah you are correct. I was also using the machine to play Simulators such as American Truck and Euro Truck Simulators too which need a little more graphics horsepower vs emulators. The primary Dolphin emulator dropped dx12 support in favor of Vulkan. While the other branch made for lesser hardware still has Dx12 support. The machine I am using is Running Windows 10 So I have access to Dx12 and Vulkan.