Nvidia to start Club GeForce and mentions GeForce GTX 1080 Ti

Asgardi

2016-12-19 16:58

This is what I predicted from the beginning. There is no way that AMD can let Nvidia have the top spot for 7 months before they want to bring something to the table. What were the people thinking when they said Vega will crush the GTX 1080? It was obvious from the start that Nvidia will have something on the table 7 months after GTX1080 when Vega gets released. I don't say that Vega will be a failure, I just personally think AMD is in a very tough spot this time around. Hopefully Vega will blow us all away, but I still say they missed the time for this round. AMD should have brought Vega with Polaris and it would have been much easier for them. Anyway let's come Jan-Feb and see what happens.

I totally agree. It would be naive to think that NVidia wouldn't have anything to compete with after being ahead for years. As naive as thinking that Intel doesn't have anything in their sleeve to compete with Zen after being ahead big time for like 10 years. Hopefully AMD will get at least closer though, as our wallets have been suffering from the current situation.

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Denial

2016-12-19 19:22

Kind of pointless to release it this late. I hope Vega is faster and cheaper and smaller as well.

How is it pointless? The leaked stuff we have for Vega shows its basically going to be right where the Ti would fall. How would Nvidia releasing a card competitive with competition, presumably before the competition ships theirs, be "pointless"? Did anyone say the 980Ti was pointless launching 8 months after the 980? Doubt it.

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Rich_Guy

2016-12-19 19:25

They'll probably put their drivers in the Club Elite, get em before everyone else, early access :P

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kakiharaFRS

2016-12-19 19:39

The good news is that 1080GTX are going to drop in prices, I'm waiting for the Ti tough like many I guess. Prices for the best 1080GTX have already dropped 100$ in Switzerland between their actual availabilty in stores (not so many months ago) and now.

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fantaskarsef

2016-12-19 21:52

They'll probably put their drivers in the Club Elite, get em before everyone else, early access :P

Yes 😀 They should just stfu and take my money there, I want early access! Maybe you can even preorder the early access drivers free with a guinea pig suit 😀

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Stormyandcold

2016-12-19 23:06

I want the source code so I can do my own custom drivers.

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-Tj-

2016-12-19 23:31

So as a 980TI user I have the chance to pre-order earlier? lol yes that is something special:bang: 😀 When I first saw the title I expected something like 15-20% gpu price discount or take old gpu back and pay half the price. I'll just wait for Amd Vega and NV Volta 🤓

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HeavyHemi

2016-12-20 02:00

Link is dead. Hoax?

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Clouseau

2016-12-20 02:23

Made you look :beam:

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HeavyHemi

2016-12-20 06:22

Made you look :beam:

True, it did. Has the provenance of this surfaced yet. The initial job description seemed normal. The other section though, that just seemed weird to put that sort of detailed forward thinking in a public posting.

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Nima V

2016-12-20 07:22

How is it pointless? The leaked stuff we have for Vega shows its basically going to be right where the Ti would fall. How would Nvidia releasing a card competitive with competition, presumably before the competition ships theirs, be "pointless"? Did anyone say the 980Ti was pointless launching 8 months after the 980? Doubt it.

I think Vega will be incredibly disappointing for people who are expecting it to be at 1080 Ti level performance.

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Bloodred217

2016-12-20 10:05

I'll probably be skipping the 1080 Ti, next upgrade I'm aiming for is something that has a chance at getting 4K 120FPS and a monitor to match, once they actually become a thing that exists. I guess that could be Volta SLI, or whatever AMD cooks up to go against Volta.

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chispy

2016-12-20 14:08

I think Vega will be incredibly disappointing for people who are expecting it to be at 1080 Ti level performance.

We do not know that yet 😉 , i expect Vega to be at 1080Ti~Titan Pascal performance in my opinion.

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Denial

2016-12-20 14:12

I think Vega will be incredibly disappointing for people who are expecting it to be at 1080 Ti level performance.

I don't see how it would be anything less. You double a RX480 and you have GTX1080+ performance at 300w. Pair that with HBM2 and some upgrades that we know are coming with Vega's architecture and 20% additional performance and a few less watts is perfectly doable. They would really have to screw up for it to not be near 1080Ti.

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PrMinisterGR

2016-12-20 14:21

I don't see how it would be anything less. You double a RX480 and you have GTX1080+ performance at 300w. Pair that with HBM2 and some upgrades that we know are coming with Vega's architecture and 20% additional performance and a few less watts is perfectly doable. They would really have to screw up for it to not be near 1080Ti.

It's not that simple, especially the power part, but according to their server GPU announcements it will be less than 300W, which would put it around Titan X Pascal, give or take 30W.

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Denial

2016-12-20 14:35

It's not that simple, especially the power part, but according to their server GPU announcements it will be less than 300W, which would put it around Titan X Pascal, give or take 30W.

Did anyone really expect it to be more than 300w? I feel like 250-300w range is the standard for high end cards and I'd expect every high end card from now into the foreseeable future to be roughly that power consumption. And while I don't think Vega will be that simple (in terms of just a double RX480) the point is that AMD could literally just double the RX480 and compete with a 1080Ti, everything else they do is just a bonus. So I'm not sure how anyone could arrive at the conclusion that Vega will not be near a 1080Ti level. As I said before the biggest problem AMD is going to face is the launch timing. If it really does take until the end of Q2 to launch Vega I don't think it's going to capture much of the market. I imagine that the Ti will be out by the end of January and most people I know on the fence of waiting for Vega already got sick of waiting and pulled the trigger on a 1080/1070. The Ti is only going to capture more of those Vega waiters, especially if it comes out that much earlier. I honestly might upgrade to the Ti/Vega myself - there are still a few games where I can't hit 100+fps at QHD with reasonable settings and it annoys me.

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Nima V

2016-12-20 16:45

I don't see how it would be anything less. You double a RX480 and you have GTX1080+ performance at 300w. Pair that with HBM2 and some upgrades that we know are coming with Vega's architecture and 20% additional performance and a few less watts is perfectly doable. They would really have to screw up for it to not be near 1080Ti.

Vega is not double 480. 480 has 2304 shaders and Vega is rumored to have 4096 shaders, it's about 15% less than 2 x 2304. another problem is even doubling 480 performance only get you to 1080 performance not 1080Ti and 1080ti will be probably much faster than 1080 and even Titan x pascal with custom-design factory overclocked models. I expect Vega to perform somewhere between 1070 and 1080 on average.

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Noisiv

2016-12-20 17:09

Vega is not double 480. 480 has 2304 shaders and Vega is rumored to have 4096 shaders, it's about 15% less than 2 x 2304. another problem is even doubling 480 performance only get you to 1080 performance not 1080Ti and 1080ti will be probably much faster than 1080 and even Titan x pascal with custom-design factory overclocked models. I expect Vega to be between 1070 and 1080 performance on average.

Agreed. Lets not forget that scaling up does not come with 100% of efficiency, especially for AMD. Who has only recently managed to more/less fully utilize Fury's CUs. That one also looked good on the paper, remember? ~ GTX1080 level of performance would be perfect! Not too big and not too hard to produce, yet with plenty of juice and a good enough upgrade for 95% of gamers. But the big question is WHEN?!?

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Denial

2016-12-20 17:12

Vega is not double 480. 480 has 2304 shaders and Vega is rumored to have 4096 shaders, it's about 15% less than 2 x 2304. another problem is even doubling 480 performance only get you to 1080 performance not 1080Ti and 1080ti will be probably much faster than 1080 and even Titan x pascal with custom-design factory overclocked models. I expect Vega to perform somewhere between 1070 and 1080 on average.

Er - I guess I meant RX470, it's been a while since I've thought about this. http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5322720&postcount=108 This is the post I wrote about it a while back:

I think you guys are describing Vega 11 and not 10. Unless they manage some power magic between now and when Vega ships, how they are going to manage doubling RX480 and keeping it under 300w? Furthermore, if Vega 10 is that, how are they going to have an even larger chip and keep it under 300w? And then what happens to the massive gap between the RX480 and this GTX1080 level Vega 10? Are they just going to cut Vega 10 by like half and ship it to fill that gap? It makes more sense to me that Vega 11 is the 4096 core chip and Vega 10 is something around a 1070. If you double a RX470 you get slightly higher then GTX1080 performance. RX470 is already somewhat bottlenecked by memory performance so HBM2 will increase that gap slightly further. That + clocking it a little higher + whatever improvements architecturally that Vega brings and I think it will be 10-15% faster then a 1080 maybe even faster.

I bolded the relevant section. Even if the scaling is worse, RX470 peaks ~125w. HBM2 will bring power consumption even lower. We know Vega is architecturally different then Polaris, presumably some of that will be power efficiency. I really can't see AMD having an issue hitting ~15-20% average performance above a 1080 with Vega.