New NVIDIA Press Embargo Stirs Things Up
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RealNC
cowie
Mufflore
Fediuld
I wonder how this could have affected the GTX970 scandal, does under this NDA means that we shouldn't have known about the less ROP than advertised and the 3.5GB VRAM only operating at full speed? Because given when the card came out, media outlets like Guru3d shouldn't reported out that until September 2019!!!!!!!
fantaskarsef
I can actually see and understand @RealNC 's concerns. But with this new NDA I think it's a little blown up (like Hilbert said in his article), and secondly, it's a matter of interpretation. Unless Hilbert's not allowed to say -anything- bad about NV (which usually is their behaviour and their pricing), it won't change much.
But if an investigative site signs any such NDAs, the question is, what would have happend when Nvidia really did something that's not right? A site that cites sources that really put out intel about the skeletons inside Nvidia's closet? We'd probably never learn (or care) 😀
RealNC
Hilbert Hagedoorn
Administrator
warlord
Simple meaning is further restriction and leakage control, less or none at all hints about incoming product, performance, sw or hw preview or tease, if you already have legitimate info and physical review samples in your hands from Nvidia themselves before launch, right?
GDILord
D3M1G0D
I think what Heise took issue with is the vague nature of the NDA (no firm timeline, and some confidential info can never be revealed) as well as the requirement to only use such info for the sole benefit of Nvidia. I think everything here is familiar with NDAs, but the vague and far-reaching nature of this particular document is certainly troubling.
Heise's decision to reveal the document will have some serious implications going forward, not just for them but for the entire tech industry. I think people will now question things even more, especially articles which seem overly favorable to Nvidia ("what did you expect? They signed the NDA"). Of course more transparency is a good thing, and I'm glad Heise decided to take their stance.
GDILord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os&t=13m30s
NOTE: I am not trying to say anything about these forums with that remark!!!
Me too.
Nvidia already had something like this a while back, except that it was from "prominent forum members."
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schmidtbag
I legitimately don't see the problem here. Sure, getting sneak previews of what's going on in Nvidia's labs is always fun and interesting, but how often does it actually matter? Looking through Nvidia's perspective, I wouldn't want people knowing incomplete projects I'm working on, either, because I don't want to give false hopes and I don't want unnecessary rumors started that either add or detract hype. Why do you think AMD is always so incredibly vague about everything up until they know a product can be released? The more info they give away, the more people will speculate. If it weren't for AMD's open-source drivers, our knowledge about the next-gen parts would be practically non-existent, up until CES anyway (which gets me to wonder if that's one of the reasons Nvidia doesn't make open-source drivers...). Speculation turns to myths, and myths often lead to disappointment or confusion. With Nvidia being so much bigger and more interesting as a company, it's much more difficult for them to keep rumors at bay, so, the best way they can go about this is to make an NDA for journalists.
As long as reviewers like Hilbert can retain full honesty in their reviews, I think people are making a bigger fuss about this than they need to.
Silva
alanm
Noisiv
alanm
Techpowerup also signed and are pretty much in line with Hilberts views. They are also thinking Heise over-reacted and that its not much of a big practical issue. TBH, I'm also beginning to think its much ado about nothing. Mainly because IF Nvidia tried to suppress or control review sites views, it would raise too much of a big stink that would make them look bad in the end. [H] though doesnt like it and will not sign.
schmidtbag
Texter
It's funny how more-of-the-same feels like selling their soul to the devil to some people...
Noisiv
@schmidtbag
I take back what I wrote in regard to "solely for the benefit of Nvidia".
I did a bit of Googling and that particular wording seems to be a standard legal phrase the exact meaning of which I am not quite sure.
Something along the lines that the NDA and Confindential Information are not intended to benefit third parties. You can't use it to sue Nvidia or claim a deduction on your taxes. (again I am out of my depth here)
It's got nothing to do with having to be biased or pro-nvidia in your reviews 😉
schmidtbag