New AMD Engineering Sample Zen Processors get higher Clocks
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nicugoalkeper
This is only for Desktops, not for other segments:
I may be wrong but, I'm under the impresion that AMD ZEN will fight with Intel's I5 series at best:
- A lot of hype was on the GPU market, but after the release, NVIDIA is still there with high prices, i think the same will be for AMD Zen.
- Intel does not seems to take AMD serious, see I7700K (not a big step from Skylake)....
The problem is that we all want (including Me) a good competition and we remember the good old day's. So we expect alot from AMD.
But just my opinion they are focusing on mainstream, and I don't like it at all....:bang:
nz3777
Oh hell yeah that is what i am talking about!Now lets just get some prices out and we are set to go baby.:)
AlmondMan
I don't expect anything. I'm just going to wait and see - Any of the high-end Zen are bound to be an improvement over my 3570k.
Marios145
Back in 2010 i was on a budget and had to choose between Athlon x2 VS Core 2 Duo or pay 20$ extra and go for the athlon x4.
The c2d was much faster OC vs OC in games, but i decided to go for the quad-core since i'm a multitasking freak.
Well...for heavy multitasking like i do, the difference between them is huge, even if the athlon is much slower.
Since then, the quad-core improved but the c2d fell too much behind, the difference is now huge in anything multi-threaded.
So while 4 faster cores are nice for software now, having 8 means that you always have headroom in the future.
But, if you plan to upgrade every 1-2 years, it's not that big a deal.
If zen ipc is at least 20% near intel and i'd have to choose between 8core zen vs 4core kabylake, i wouldn't even blink for double thread count.
vbetts
Moderator
If IPC can rival Intel, I don't care what the clocked rates are. It's core efficiency I care about, numbers don't always mean performance.
Noisiv
but of course they are.
TSMC 16FF is used in many more designs by much more clients than Glofo 14FF
Amx85
This clocks are on 95w and under, not max OC clocks
Correction, it says AMD "HT" hyper threading is a Intel propetary SMT tecnology, must say AMD SMT implementation.
about the new, its well that new batches has higher clocks, i see people being negative with the 3.60GHz or less clock but remenber... this CPU integrates much controllers, is hard to get higher base clocks @95w they don´t want get higher TDP this time, if they get 85% Skylake IPC and $350 price or less its ok for me.
Other thing, this is base and turbo clocks @95w is much posible that Motherboards will support 125--140w then the OC could be +4.50GHz if the SoC and Chipset it´s well designed...
SSD_PRO
Intel will keep on course with their mainstream units. Intel will release their mainstream 200-series chipset and Kaby Lake/Skylake re-cook then AMD will release their best shot. Worst case scenario, it stays clocked at 3.3MHz, when they benchmark gaming performance vs Kaby the bottom will fall out of AMD. Best case, we get some further gains over the next couple months and see a flagship clocking around 3.8 - while clock is lower, the cores will help. Then it forces Intel to mainstream 6/8 core units at competitive prices when they release the 300-series platform. AMD succeeds by forcing Intel to move along from the 4/8 mainstream rut.
Sempaii
Cryengine 3 with Crysis 3 is capable of using 8 core processors
As i am looking forward to Star Citizen, i like you guys. To tell me if it would be okey to go for 8 core cpu. When i want to upgrade, i am only going to play SC, ( SC is using a moddet Cryengine 3.6 )
Thanks for any reply's 🙂
Ryu5uzaku
So it's still close to intels 8 core cpus in ghz with tad lower usage atm. Max turbo of 3.7 on 6900k is also single core turbo. 3.6 vs 3.7 not that bad. Now if they get base frequency up a bit while still delivering less wattage.
PrMinisterGR
The wattage difference is more than 40% in favor of Zen. I bet the clock differences aren't even near that. I'm sure that Zen clocks lower in general. But if it has similar/a bit faster IPC, it's clearly the better CPU at that point. Everything will depend on the price. If AMD can deliver this eight core in the same ballpark as a 7700k/6700k, it's a winner no matter how you see it.
Reddoguk
I'm in 100% for a new 8core 16thread AM4 set up but how long do you give it for maturity.
My current system is still pumping out great fps in all games i play but i still feel the need to go back to an AMD build but i think i'll give Zen a whole year to iron out any bump in the road.
4Ghz+ on a Zen 8c 16t will surely be more than enough for future gaming.
stevevnicks
still seems good performance for AMD, I was thinking of upgrading my system but I have had second thoughts, I don't need to upgrade really as what I have seems to have many years left in it (albeit I will probs be gaming with lower settings as each year goes by)
Price depending, if these rumours are anything to go by, anyone wanting to stick with an AMD cpu at the moment looks like they are in for a nice bump in cpu power.
unlike Intel who just have to let out a little boost to there cpu's over time, this time at the very least AMD fans will get an very noticeable upgrade this time around.
and respect where respects due, with all the financial turmoil AMD has been through and still come out with new improved tech is an amazing feat while against all odds.
ScoobyDooby
Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I feel like people are so desperate for AMD to bring Zen out and that its something so big and earthshattering, that they are letting their excitement and buying into the hype cloud their judgement a little bit.
Some of the stuff I've been reading about from people hyped up is truly fascinating.. acting as if this will be the best CPU to get based on numbers alone. As we should all know by now, this is fallacy, and until we get some real world benches on things that actually matter, all of this hype is just hot air.
I sure hope they can bring a competitive chip to market.. by now AMD better have it absolutely nailed once its released. They imo have a short leash and people will not be patient with them if this release doesn't knock everyone's socks off.
Its not Intel's fault that AMD hasn't released a cpu (in tech years) in an enternity. I would certainly hope that AMD users get a huge upgrade lol Hardly a fair comment to make imo
Reddoguk
I'm not that fussed about the chip since an AM3+ 990FX FX8xxx/9xxx is matching Intel systems now in modern games FPS wise there's hardly any difference already as HH has shown in recent tests.
The main thing most AMD fans will want is to finally get all the latest protocols like DDR4 and PCI-e 3.0, M.2 and a new chip-set finally since AM3 is ancient. I'm looking forward to a nice shiny AM4 mobo UD5 or similar.
PrMinisterGR
It's all a performance/cost game. Zen at 95W seems to be very close to a similar entry from Intel in the 140W range. If it sells at something like 2/3 of its price, then it's game over, and it's a very exciting thing, yes. We have had stagnation for almost a decade in the CPU space.
Keep in mind also that Intel has basically been refining the Sandy Bridge design for almost six years now. The Core architecture is very very mature, and I'm not sure that large perfomance gains can be had from it, unless Intel presents something entirely new (like they did with Core back then). Seeing how both Zen and the Core CPUs are so similar to each other (micro op caches etc), it seems unlikely to me.
Interesting times ahead.
Elder III
I'd be delighted to swap the CPU in my sig out for a Zen 8 core that's in the same ballpark as a i7 6900k and the price is in the $300-350 range. I wouldn't be surprised to see the flagship higher then that though.
ChicagoDave
Do we have confirmation how many PCIe 3.0 lanes the consumer CPU and Chipset will provide? How many lanes on the DMI between the CPU and Chipset?
Hoping to run a graphics card at x16 and at least two m.2 drives in x4 on my next build. Currently impossible on Skylake and presumably Kabylake as the chipset DMI is only x4 so the m.2 drives will be fighting each other for bandwidth.
stevevnicks
24 depending on motherboard design but the cpu has 24 from what I read, weather that's a fact I don't know, just what I read, when reading about the new motherboard and chipsets.
I'm sure I read it depended on chipset and socket so if its socket then probs relates to what zen cpu's supports the full 24 lanes ?
ht_addict
Its always fun reading about the demise of AMD, yet they still exist. They are a small company compared to Intel, yet they continue to innovative in both their CPU/GPU's with limited funds. Always been an AMD fan, building my setups from the early days of Cyrix, before switching over to AMD. Never once have I had an issue running a game. Always paired my CPU with the right GPU and other components. Also knew that I didn't have to have all the eye candy set to max to enjoy my gaming experience. Maybe when you have a still screen you can see the difference from Min to Max settings, but in todays fast paced games, i'll bet most people can't. My latest build was a FX9590/Dual Fury X's. Played all games with ease at max settings, yet cost me hundreds less than a comparably Intel/NVIDIA setup. For some reason I decided that I needed an I7-5960k to feed my Fury's while draining my bank account to get a new CPU/MB/RAM. Turned out I didn't unless I was benching. I know when Zen arrives it will be see ya Intel hello AMD again for me.
