if it wasn't so amusing all of this criticism would be annoying.
this is not a paper launch by any stretch of the imagination.
we can cry about the price and to a point that's fair. but past a certain point it's naïve whining.
yes i wish we could all go back in a time machine where gddr, vrm, and pcbs didn't have an increased cost of manufacture and an increased cost to AIB. and the price of oil for the shipping was lower.
and that has nothing to do with mining yet still adds cost and limits availability across the board to all players.
let's get real.
there are MANY advantages to this card and specifically for our segment of the market, mainly the fact it can have the "bejeezus" tweaked out of it. and despite the whining of many that's half the fun for half of the people on this forum.
and as many were quick to point out to me when i was "yawning" over 1080p cards - this is where the majority of the market is.
if it wasn't so amusing all of this criticism would be annoying.
this is not a paper launch by any stretch of the imagination.
we can cry about the price and to a point that's fair. but past a certain point it's naïve whining.
yes i wish we could all go back in a time machine where gddr, vrm, and pcbs didn't have an increased cost of manufacture and an increased cost to AIB. and the price of oil for the shipping was lower.
and that has nothing to do with mining yet still adds cost and limits availability across the board to all players.
let's get real.
there are MANY advantages to this card and specifically for our segment of the market, mainly the fact it can have the "bejeezus" tweaked out of it. and despite the whining of many that's half the fun for half of the people on this forum.
and as many were quick to point out to me when i was "yawning" over 1080p cards - this is where the majority of the market is.
We haven't seen an increase in performance at the $200 mark (after what, 5 generations now? When did the 480 come out now...?) and by the same token, we haven't seen an increase in performance at the $400 now either (after one generation).
Its not their fault your intel 10gen do not support pcie4.
lol you can't run this at 4.0 x8 either you weird,weird man.
you and me both would run this at equvalent to 2.0 x16 despite we both have latest top tier boards and cpus that were upper mid range/high end just a while ago,and still are more than fine for nearly any card.
they crippled the pci-e,crippled the bus,crippled the infinity cache and set the price to almost 5700xt and you still defend this turd.
We haven't seen an increase in performance at the $200 mark (after what, 5 generations now? When did the 480 come out now...?) and by the same token, we haven't seen an increase in performance at the $400 now either (after one generation).
your arbitrary and synthetic price points and performance margins are personal feelings which has nothing to do with the realities of business over time.
i wish the market was better too
your arbitrary and synthetic price points and performance margins are personal feelings which has nothing to do with the realities of business over time.
i wish the market was better too
Well, after 5 years, you'd expect performance to increase at previous price points wouldn't you? In the last two generations, we've seen the largest increases in prices throughout the industry and relative performance has stagnated.
These aren't my prices, these are observations... But yes, my feelings are of disappointment that we're not seeing an increase in performance at respective price points. We're just seeing increasing performance at increasing prices and that's it.
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why sarcasm? this is the way all manufacturing goes, high end for profit margin, mass market for market share no different if it's Nvidia, Intel, Caterpillar, GM, Toyota or Samsung.
people do not have to like reality but there it is
Well, after 5 years, you'd expect performance to increase at previous price points wouldn't you? In the last two generations, we've seen the largest increases in prices throughout the industry and relative performance has stagnated.
These aren't my prices or feelings, these are observations...
those price points are not realistic to actual RL cost which is why ALL midlevel cards are over $300 INSTEAD of over $250
those price points are not realistic to actual RL cost which is why ALL midlevel cards are over $300 INSTEAD of over $250
Sorry I've edited my post since then - true enough manufacturing costs are ever increasing and so prices will go up, in my edit I accounted for this regarding the fact that increasing performance is costing more to achieve but we've yet to have increased performance at previous price points.
Except it doesn't... So far, I've only seen an actual price-to-performance graph from Phoronix, where the 3060 Ti gets "destroyed". Meanwhile, the 3060 Ti uses about 15% more power despite not winning in every benchmark.
As others have pointed out, you're not getting either one for MSRP.
3060Ti is over 20% faster than 6600XT at 1440p, so overall 3060Ti is still more efficient.
6600XT should be selling for at least 30% lower than 3060 Ti, they are not in the same performance ballpark at all. Well if you can find 6600XT at 380usd and the cheapest 3060 Ti LHR is 500usd then it might be worth it, however I highly doubt it. TPU is saying the cheapest Asus 6600XT Dual model is 500usd.
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why sarcasm? this is the way all manufacturing goes, high end for profit margin, mass market for market share no different if it's Nvidia, Intel, Caterpillar, GM, Toyota or Samsung.
people do not have to like reality but there it is
you seem to dislike us disliking it
a 237mm 128-bit pci-e 8x card is now $380,what a time to be a gamer.
3060Ti is over 20% faster than 6600XT at 1440p, so overall 3060Ti is still more efficient.
6600XT should be selling for at least 30% lower than 3060 Ti, they are not in the same performance ballpark at all. Well if you can find 6600XT at 380usd and the cheapest 3060 Ti LHR is 500usd then it might be worth it, however I highly doubt it. TPU is saying the cheapest Asus 6600XT Dual model is 500usd.
good graph
but faster is not efficiency. that is power draw real world or even performance/ watt
good graph
but faster is not efficiency. that is power draw real world or even performance/ watt
6600xt is more efficient than 3060ti
but how much does it matter when for $20 higher msrp you're getting 25% more performance
that is a bigger performance gap than $400 3060Ti to $580 6800.
What a joke of a gpu. This is another proof for the fanboys of any company, that all the companies are greedy and they make value for money products only when they have no other choice. As for the people talking about increased manufacturing costs a few days ago Sony announced that they no longer sell PS5 at a loss which is essentially a complete PC with a 6600XT+ ryzen 3700x cpu + fast ssd + 16gb ram + bluray player. So imagine at what price AMD is selling them the soc.
What a joke of a gpu. This is another proof for the fanboys of any company, that all the companies are greedy and they make value for money products only when they have no other choice. As for the people talking about increased manufacturing costs a few days ago Sony announced that they no longer sell PS5 at a loss which is essentially a complete PC with a 6600XT+ ryzen 3700x cpu + fast ssd + 16gb ram + bluray player. So imagine at what price AMD is selling them the soc.
The price is understandable because everybody's ripping off as much as they can currently (this includes the memory chip makers and other component manufacturers). It would be strange if the MSRP was any lower. The AIBs wouldn't have made their cards cheaper even if AMD had tried to suggest a lower price. For the time being everybody's holding their breath and trying to see how long this video card maker's golden time lasts.
The RT performance is a total joke. Otherwise it would be an okay card if it was significantly cheaper. I never planned to get this card, and I hope I never will be forced to.
this is not a paper launch by any stretch of the imagination.
It's not a literal paper launch, but if it is hard to find in-stock at MSRP on release day then yes, it effectively is a paper launch (specifically for gamers). Remember what we're talking about here: a mainstream 1080p GPU with mediocre DXR performance. Even at MSRP, it isn't worth buying for the average gamer (neither is the 3060 at MSRP, but at least that has better DXR performance). It doesn't make sense to spend extra on something that was already overpriced to begin with, especially when it's not hard to get a system capable of 1080p gaming, as that has been the norm for about a decade now. The only real benefit to this GPU is its very good efficiency. Until the price drops to at most $300, gamers aren't going to buy this. So as far as gamers are concerned, does this product really exist?
AMD isn't stupid. They've always been really competitive with their prices, because they had to in order to stay afloat. They can't do anything about the S&D issue, but since demand is higher, they can charge a higher price, and they'll still make sales, just not with gamers.
6600XT should be selling for at least 30% lower than 3060 Ti, they are not in the same performance ballpark at all. Well if you can find 6600XT at 380usd and the cheapest 3060 Ti LHR is 500usd then it might be worth it, however I highly doubt it. TPU is saying the cheapest Asus 6600XT Dual model is 500usd.