Fox2232:

MSI had cut down BIOS even on "msi x470 gaming pro carbon ac". I was pretty disappointed with that experience. They should do better with their prioritization.

Yes I can agree that the MSI Boards X470 were missing features of high end board at first.I think I read your board failed and you moved on.My Cheap crap board continued to blossom with updates into and awesome motherboard and I am still fine with it even with a cut down BIOS. I can still use Offset Voltage and can overclock my memory as much as the CPU can handle without the motherboard going nuts.CL16 4200Mhz is no problem on the motherboard. Bad things with cut down BIOS no proper Raid support yet,not able to save profiles for different memory settings but with AMD Ryzen master that takes care of the Memory profiles. I only use to buy high end gear but now I realized the cheap stuff works the same for me for what I use it for a gaming. I lol when I read the one guy posting a link to sue MSi or wants people to sue them.

gerardfraser:

Yes I can agree that the MSI Boards X470 were missing features of high end board at first.I think I read your board failed and you moved on.My Cheap crap board continued to blossom with updates into and awesome motherboard and I am still fine with it even with a cut down BIOS. I can still use Offset Voltage and can overclock my memory as much as the CPU can handle without the motherboard going nuts.CL16 4200Mhz is no problem on the motherboard. Bad things with cut down BIOS no proper Raid support yet,not able to save profiles for different memory settings but with AMD Ryzen master that takes care of the Memory profiles. I only use to buy high end gear but now I realized the cheap stuff works the same for me for what I use it for a gaming. I lol when I read the one guy posting a link to sue MSi or wants people to sue them.

That's really good. Did they add CPU offset? That was like worst missing feature. Then memory could not get really stable on over 2866MHz. And finally VRMs for memory died. Maybe that was reason for it not being OK. Could have been unlucky SMD making it look worse than it other were.

Yes they did add the offset voltage CPU/SOC MSI X470 Gaming Plus and I could run DDR4 3600Mhz Ram but I ran DDR4 3200Mhz because it made no difference in gaming when gaming high resolutions.I must say I do not miss the gui on the older BIOS .. I have ran raid 0 for long as I can remember but I just use my SSD's by them self and it is fine. WTF I am talking about, I am running a strip volume of 4TB on the machine right now thru windows,so I do not need raid 0 again.

Aura89:

But as stated above, what this has done is effectively given NEW buyers more informed choices when buying ryzen 3000 series CPUs, and not wanting to fork over the cash for x570, but know their CPU will work. There's nothing wrong with this....would it have been better if MSI has released new motherboards with support of ryzen 3000 series out of the box but left it at 16mb firmware? Would your "cash grab" statement stand there? What would be the point of that?

Great if that's the case but if this release means EOL for all previous boards that aren't X570 or MAX (concerning Matisse obviously) then it's a dick move for sure. I've always liked MSI but the things I've read of late on Reddit about people having issues with B450 boards and talking to MSI about it, the rep would recommend returning the board and buying a MAX version instead - that's pretty disheartening. I really hope it was just a few isolated cases.

Netherwind:

Great if that's the case but if this release means EOL for all previous boards that aren't X570 or MAX (concerning Matisse obviously) then it's a dick move for sure.

If they do that i agree, but i don't see any reason for them to do that, the MAX variant and non-MAX variant will likely be the same core code with no difference other then one will be stripped of extra eye candy and support for some older low-end CPUs, so if they do stop support of non-MAX motherboards, it wouldn't logically make sense.

Aura89:

If they do that i agree, but i don't see any reason for them to do that, the MAX variant and non-MAX variant will likely be the same core code with no difference other then one will be stripped of extra eye candy and support for some older low-end CPUs, so if they do stop support of non-MAX motherboards, it wouldn't logically make sense.

I hope you are right.

Set my eyes on the MSI X470 Gaming Carbon Pro, even found it on a discount, but refrained from buying it. Only to find about this.