Are they comparing a stock 12900k to a unlimited power 13900k? If so then removing the power limits on the 12900k could make the small improvement a good deal smaller.

tty8k:

And to add a bit more to it. Everyone is using Cinebench as a benchmark for what? `Maxon Cinema? What percentage is using that? I'd say Blender is a hell more popular being free. And guess what? You'd be a dumb donkey not to use your video card to render in Blender which is 8 times faster than your 12900k. So the point of that Cinebench, small .. if any.

I'm rendering on 2x 3090 on my workstation. Rendering on a cpu in 2022 LOL 😀

nizzen:

I'm rendering on 2x 3090 on my workstation. Rendering on a cpu in 2022 LOL 😀

I cannot speak for Cinema or Blender, but some software - like Topaz AI - renders different (better) results on CPU compared to GPU.

Eini:

I cannot speak for Cinema or Blender, but some software - like Topaz AI - renders different (better) results on CPU compared to GPU.

Topaz barley support gpu. It's the software that sux and the support. Says reddit people 😛 Maybe alpha/beta software....

nizzen:

Topaz barley support gpu. It's the software that sux and the support. Says reddit people 😛 Maybe alpha/beta software....

GPU processing is a lot faster, but the results were less sharp in the past, it seemed to use its own algorithms. Quite strange if you consider that its machine learning is done on NVidia GPUs anyway. Only more recent versions brought that on par for the standard AI model, so now I can use GPU instead of CPU. But for any software offering both (CPU and GPU) processing options I would always do some comparisons first.

Undying:

Adding more e cores while still having 8 p cores is a bad idea. The only difference between 12900k and 13900k will be higher core clock. That wont increase fps in games as much we want to. Wait for zen4 with v-cache boys.

Exactly what I want to do, or get a 5800x3d or 5900x3d if they are a good price when AM5 drops. All I know is, the 5600x is faster as hell for what it is, but in high usuage the min fps on it alot lower then 5800x/5900x or intel 12th gen. @tty8k Me not giving two craps about 4k, and play at 144fps, CPU matters alot more to me.

H83:

Right now the e-cores count seems nothing more than a marketing gimmick, so Intel can say their products have lots of cores. For me, Intel should release CPUs only with P-cores for enthusiasts and professionals and CPUs with only E-cores, for those who want somehing cheaper and weaker. Combining them seems so pointless for me.

They are already doing this. It's called Sapphire Rapids. There are no E cores on SPR-X.

In the past few days I picked up some great information from fellow Gurus. I just recently complained to them about next gen performance info being too secretive and BOOM! Here we are. LOL! From what I've learned, the P cores are the Golden Goose. Why didn't Intel focus on that route? Would having more P-Cores cause more heat and power? Dudes and Dudettes, I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed. I know not to expect monumental leaps, but these increases are indeed minimal. Alder Lake to Rapture is..........meh! This is an engineering sample so things are subject to change. I'm still impressed with my little old 10 core 20 thread Comet Lake CPU at 5.2 Ghz. I'm sure I would feel a boost going from Comet to Rapture but in all honesty, as multiple members have educated me, the difference is minimal at 4k and above resolutions. A big upgrade for me will be the next big GPU. I truly hope the 4000 series and 7000 series cards live up to the hype. The Intel 13900K's early showing is just so so for me. My current system has been a great marriage of parts. It just works and has delivered visuals, speed and stability beyond my expectations. I game at 4k and above. I want the next gen to give me reasonable increase. One I can see and feel. I'm definitely interested to see AMD's CPU offerings and how they perform. I may do a AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU depending on results. I don't know.

nizzen:

Slower in gaming? 5800x3d is the only Amd cpu that beating Alderlake in gaming at slow xmp settings 🙂 Fast memory, and Alderlake is faster in pretty much everything 🙂 Ps: I'm still not a fanboy, but testing myself.

Not only top models, but 12600k is also power hungry and slower than 5600x.

tty8k:

Right! I would pay 1k for upgrade for 10W less on the CPU while gaming. I think the whole foundation that we used to have for benchmarking need to change a bit. How many 1080p screens are still being produced and selled. What software do most people use on PC that really makes a difference adding so many cores and processing power. We're showing 720p numbers just to see that in theory there is a difference. How about real world numbers for 2022/2023, because in the end of the day who upgrades to such a system/component is not thinking of 2008. It's the same for consoles, how many 1080p TVs are still out for sale. Entertaining/Gaming world is moving towards 4k fast, with some exceptions ofc.

you are correct except for one glaring exception - eSports 1080p monitors still outsell all other resolutions. for guys like us it may seem outdated and stupid, but the majority of eSports teams and players are children under 18. the majority of teams are not sponsored and the games - for the most part - aren't demanding. because of the age group the majority of parents will not spend more than 1080p affords and they don't want competitive gaming on their TV so they buy 24" & 27" monitors for cheap. AND not to be forgotten, we are just now coming out of a GPU drought (for people who don't mine) that has lasted years so these kids are gaming @ 1080p on old GPUs and iGPUs. just look at the numbers for "fortnite" we are all old hands, and early adopting old hands at that. so this is all retro-bizarre, but true.

Mannerheim:

Not only top models, but 12600k is also power hungry and slower than 5600x.

Nobody cares about cinebench powerdraw. Try powerdraw in games 😉 12600k slower than 5600x in games? Must be with very slow memory. Typical gurunoob settings

the numbers are actually shocking to me but pc/browser based game participation by 14-16 y/o's is hovering around 30% (consoles rule here). that 30% is higher than team sport participation and no doubt fueled by the (often foolish) concept of "being under the eye" of the parents. when those eyes are doing something else... this is Big Money and also why most gaming accessories look so cartoonish and childish.

tty8k:

Intel Core i5-13600K vs Core i5-12600K at 1440p: 4.64% Faster Performance on Average Intel Core i5-13600K vs Core i5-12600K at 2160p: 2.36% Faster Performance on Average Enjoy spending $$$ upgrade for that lads.

Upgrading from 4770k to 13600k should be fun 😀

tty8k:

Intel Core i5-13600K vs Core i5-12600K at 1440p: 4.64% Faster Performance on Average Intel Core i5-13600K vs Core i5-12600K at 2160p: 2.36% Faster Performance on Average Enjoy spending $$$ upgrade for that lads.

gpu limited statistics min fps is up by 12% at 4k which is quite a lot I just hope 13400 is nicely priced cause 10% over 12400f under 200eur would be tremendous it'd prolly match 5800x3d for min fps a couple of e-cores would be welcome too so that mt is up as well https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/07/13600K-DDR5.png

H83:

Right now the e-cores count seems nothing more than a marketing gimmick, so Intel can say their products have lots of cores. For me, Intel should release CPUs only with P-cores for enthusiasts and professionals and CPUs with only E-cores, for those who want somehing cheaper and weaker. Combining them seems so pointless for me.

Originally I thought exactly the same thing, until I was playing MP games with live Streamers. They could really use those E-cores for streaming / encoding while leaving P-cores to "game" or do the heavy lifting... I thought it was a good idea in that one use case, or digital DJ's for example who needs to multitask or use multiple PCs, but an AIO PC with P and E cores might suffice in those cases. It has it's uses but not for "gamers".

nizzen:

Upgrading from 4770k to 13600k should be fun 😀

Hate to derail this but maybe from 4790K to Ryzen 7x003DVC might be "more" fun... 😀