I did the in place upgrade for both the Anniversary and Creator's updates without any problems.

not the point I know it "can" be done I more intrested in can they do it without whole reinstalled of the OS and WITH need to download 4gb iso. Cause the build "updates" reset settings upon upgrade among other issue that happen I did the update to 3 pcs 1 worked fine, 2 had broke startmenu after the update, and the only one that updated fine was VM upgrade, the other 2 were on real hw. Inplace upgrades still leave alot to be desired.

I can't agree. I think they work fine. I will always try an in place first (after making a full system backup). I upgraded this machine that has a HDD and my tablet that has a MMC solid state drive. One AMD based and the other Intel Atom. I never use VM.

not the point I know it "can" be done I more intrested in can they do it without whole reinstalled of the OS and WITH need to download 4gb iso. Cause the build "updates" reset settings upon upgrade among other issue that happen I did the update to 3 pcs 1 worked fine, 2 had broke startmenu after the update, and the only one that updated fine was VM upgrade, the other 2 were on real hw. Inplace upgrades still leave alot to be desired.

What features have ever been taken away?

I'd bet that the number of holdouts on W7 would be significantly lower if they offered this to people. Microsoft has gotten rather daft in recent years :3eyes:.

Media Center, Desktop Gadgets, control over how you administer updates to your own machine, and they even took away the Win32 calculator. I actually used that still.

None of those have anything to do with Windows 10s updates, but rather windows 10 vs previous windows.

The update thing I mentioned was directly related to this update. As I said, they changed it around so that they can force an update if they feel like it. I guess I should have said "I look forward to less control every update" because that would have made more sense.

It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again..

Media Center, Desktop Gadgets, control over how you administer updates to your own machine, and they even took away the Win32 calculator. I actually used that still. For a while, you could get updates to a usable setting using group policy, but now MS in their wise decision making process, decided that they would add a flag to specific updates that overrides any settings you have enabled unless you're using Enterprise. So if they want to force an update, they can. The only thing that I appreciate is that there's now a group policy option to disable the "active hours" nonsense. Now it can't log you off to update no matter what if enabled. The creator update also curiously broke my Nvidia driver install. There was only one option in control panel after the update, which was stereoscopic 3d settings. Everything else was missing. I had to reinstall. And I also found out by doing that that the newest driver breaks support for Fallout 2 in DX9 render path, something I'm currently playing. Not Microsoft's fault directly, but annoying nonetheless lol

Releasing two major updates a year is all fine and well. More interested in when or if these updates are going to stop being free and what they would be charging for these updates when they stop being free. Yearly subscription that guarantees at least two major updates? This type of question is more important to me as a home user than how often they will be upgrading the OS.

Media Center was always an option, and I have a calculator app that works just fine and came with Windows 10. Gadgets were always silly and unnecessary. I have no problems with the update procedure. I have yet to be logged off or have the machine restarted without choosing to do it myself and I have the Home Edition. The only thing I don't like is that this Creator's Update has removed all links to the old style Control Panel except in the Windows System folder in the Start Menu. I just pinned it to my Start menu. It used to be in the win+x (or right click Start button) menu but not any more. Having said that, The Control Panel is getting less needed all the time as they keep adding it's functions to the settings options. Yes there have been problems with Nvidia and their drivers but for AMD users, it's been smooth sailing.:) None of my 3 machines using Win 10 have Nvidia. Two have AMD and the other one uses Intel drivers. When I think about it, in my now 18 years of being on line and gaming with 5 different computers, I have never had a computer with Nvidia graphics.

Oh right, I forgot about the control panel thing. That really irritated me since I'm used to going there with the win+x menu. The dumbest thing about it is that the settings menu is a horrendous mess, with settings not being where you would expect them to be, and many things still requiring the control panel to adjust. So why remove that? It's like an intentional hand slap. "We don't want you using the control panel, despite it being a better way to adjust most settings". Lol MS

Been doing a little reading about Windows LTSB compared to the retail version for gaming and so far it would seem that the difference in performance while gaming is negligible, as window will put processes into a suspended status and most of the background apps when not in use . Only had a five minute read . Would be nice if we could see gaming benchmarks between the two different versions.

Media Center, Desktop Gadgets, control over how you administer updates to your own machine, and they even took away the Win32 calculator. I actually used that still.