That full screen force-install for Windows 11 is NOT just new for May... I have been getting the same screens for at least 6 months, and every time MS does its 2nd Tuesday of the month forced Windows updates installs and reboot, whether you want it or not (that really pisses me off - amount of times I had some work running overnight on a long job and came back in morning to find PC sitting there at a rebooted windows for 7+ hours doing nothing all night at 300W idle power usage, when I am paying almost 50c/kWh for electricity)

CPC_RedDawn:

I get the data collection and selling of it as bad but what do you do thats so bad that you dont want people spying on you? And what makes you think you are so important that people would spy on you?

Yeah that "I have nothing to hide" response is stupid. Do you have a house, and do you close your curtains every night when it gets dark? Why do you do this if you have nothing to hide? It reminds me of this quote... and you should think about this before you sell your life and everything about you to any US corporation who make money selling that information to the US government spy and other agencies. And since most of us are NOT living in USA we don't actually want US agencies knowing everything about us - it's none of their fucking business! First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller p.s. I'm not saying Windows 10 doesn't also spy to some degree or not, but Windows 11 user agreement explicitly says you agree to this as part of accepting it for free. So they are not entirely legally allowed to do it in Win10 but for Win11 there are legally allowed since user agreed to it.

If W11 is so pushy, vile, obnoxious and hated. Change the OS, change your computing. How much time will try to convince yourselves that Microsoft or other Bigtech gives a rat's ass on user opinion or needs?

geogan:

That full screen force-install for Windows 11 is NOT just new for May... I have been getting the same screens for at least 6 months, and every time MS does its 2nd Tuesday of the month forced Windows updates installs and reboot, whether you want it or not (that really pisses me off

Are you able to disable the TPM in the bios for a Asus Crosshair VIII Hero? I'd imagine you can if it's anything similar to my B550 based Asus motherboard, if you disable it, it will not give you 11.

KissSh0t:

Are you able to disable the TPM in the bios for a Asus Crosshair VIII Hero? I'd imagine you can if it's anything similar to my B550 based Asus motherboard, if you disable it, it will not give you 11.

Probably yes... but I seem to remember needing to turn it on for something a while ago. But how did you know what motherboard I use?? https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/485/098/245.gif

anticupidon:

If W11 is so pushy, vile, obnoxious and hated. Change the OS, change your computing. How much time will try to convince yourselves that Microsoft or other Bigtech gives a rat's ass on user opinion or needs?

When did anyone say we think MS care about user needs? Microsoft and Bigtech certainly does give a rat's ass about the billions that the US spy / defence agencies pay them directly every year to work with them to provide them with information and mass user data dumps, and deploy any features they need to do their spying more efficiently. The entire OS is subsidized by them (three letter agencies), paid for, and made free in order to get it into the hands of as many targets as possible.

geogan:

Probably yes... but I seem to remember needing to turn it on for something a while ago. But how did you know what motherboard I use?? https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/485/098/245.gif

https://i.imgur.com/SZYlXlV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/74zXzUP.png

geogan:

Yeah that "I have nothing to hide" response is stupid. Do you have a house, and do you close your curtains every night when it gets dark? Why do you do this if you have nothing to hide? It reminds me of this quote... and you should think about this before you sell your life and everything about you to any US corporation who make money selling that information to the US government spy and other agencies. And since most of us are NOT living in USA we don't actually want US agencies knowing everything about us - it's none of their procreating business! First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller p.s. I'm not saying Windows 10 doesn't also spy to some degree or not, but Windows 11 user agreement explicitly says you agree to this as part of accepting it for free. So they are not entirely legally allowed to do it in Win10 but for Win11 there are legally allowed since user agreed to it.

Very good points you make there, I actually studied Niemoller a lot in college but more so about his part in vietnam.

Only because you cannot (officially) run Win11 does not mean your rig will be e-waste if Win10 is EOL or EOS. You could install Linux or a hypervisor on it and use the rig otherwise. Regarding privacy: https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-gb/privacystatement and: https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/docs/view/Microsoft-Products-and-Services-Data-Protection-Addendum-DPA The "spy tech" you guys speak of got backported to Win7 years ago while Win10 was the most current OS. I would bet the "good things" from Win11 got backported as well already, at least to Win10. Why maintain different telemetry platforms when you can have a single (big) one? Manpower is expensive. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/213183-once-more-with-tracking-microsoft-backports-privacy-invading-windows-10-features-to-windows-7-8

KissSh0t:

https://i.imgur.com/TOOWt6S.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1KxWT8U.gif

Keep this information on a need to know basis. We don't want Microsoft to "fix" this.

Catspaw:

Keep this information on a need to know basis. We don't want Microsoft to "fix" this.

Microsoft knows, TPM is just an artificial requirement for 11 after all... if they wanted to "fix" it they would need to remove the artificial requirement.

KissSh0t:

Microsoft knows, TPM is just an artificial requirement for 11 after all... if they wanted to "fix" it they would need to remove the artificial requirement.

It was a joke 😀.