Microsoft talks Xbox Series X Specs - 12 TFLOPs - H/W Accelerated Raytracing - HDMI 2.1

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KissSh0t:

The more realistic scenario would be that it's initially sold at a loss with the intent of making money back from "subscriptions" then over time the cost to build the console comes down.
It's like selling printers to gamers 🙂
#5763200
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12tflops is just 1.4 short of 2080 ti. Anyways it's a console so it's closer to iron. It will end up being better than 2080 ti in long run. It's easier to squeeze out performance on a console anyways. 12tflops not that unbelievable xbox one being 6 already. They would need at least this much to make the new console make sense. And for sure it's gonna be sold for loss just like many consoles in the past. Best example being ps3 which was sold for a loss for a loooooong time.
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Aren't those 12 tflops CPU+GPU (because it's an APU)? So technically, to compare, you'd have to put the CPU and dGPU of a PC both in such a calculation... but yeah, it's closer to the metal anyway, so you can't really compare it that easily I guess. And, after all, games are now still limited by XB1 and PS4...
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H83:

I don´t believe that the console is going to be this powerful, at least in real life. They are probably exagerating to create more hype. Of course i could be wrong.
Steady there! Are you saying Marketing might be......exagerating?
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fantaskarsef:

Aren't those 12 tflops CPU+GPU (because it's an APU)? So technically, to compare, you'd have to put the CPU and dGPU of a PC both in such a calculation...
Don't think so.
#5763218
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Ryu5uzaku:

12tflops not that unbelievable xbox one being 6 already.
XBOX isn't built with RDNA2. Straight TFLOPS comparison doesn't work...
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4 years old Gpu performance when xbox x is coming to stores. Meeh 😛
#5763224
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D3M1G0D:

Well, this thing is basically a PC masquerading as a console so not too surprised by its capabilities. We'll have to see how it actually performs but things look pretty good so far. Am I the only one who thinks that PC gaming has come to a standstill? Although CPU power has increased enormously most games don't utilize it, and GPU power hasn't increased much at all (and might have even regressed in terms of performance per dollar). 4K gaming and 120+ FPS used to be the preserve of PC gaming but that gap has narrowed considerably. I just hope next-gen GPUs are way more powerful.
Cheer up, the next-gen is close now. Seems next-gen GPUs will be way more powerful.
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Kaarme:

Nonsense! Bethesda will rererelease Skyrim for Xbox Series X and ask the full price for it.
What's the next thing they can repackage the game with? ..... Ray Tracing Edition maybe?
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KissSh0t:

What's the next thing they can repackage the game with? ..... Ray Tracing Edition maybe?
Anniversary edition with no extras. After all, the game's 10 years old next November
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Digilator:

XBOX isn't built with RDNA2. Straight TFLOPS comparison doesn't work...
I know. Tho tflops is always tflops. There are other limiting factors for sure. It all comes down to how well those flops are being used and AMD improved on rdna vs gcn quite a bit.
#5763241
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fantaskarsef:

Aren't those 12 tflops CPU+GPU (because it's an APU)? So technically, to compare, you'd have to put the CPU and dGPU of a PC both in such a calculation... but yeah, it's closer to the metal anyway, so you can't really compare it that easily I guess. And, after all, games are now still limited by XB1 and PS4...
Well before they have usually counted the cpu into the equation but it's a really small part of it. Something like 200-300gflops at most.
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Ricepudding:

Well they have come out and said it's going to be 12 T-flops, which puts it above the 1080ti, least theoretical power. But it's more about how much they can pull out of it on console, if you look at the PS4 PRO, games like spiderman and God of war, have no reason to look that good and run as well as they do (locked to 30fps) but considering the power of the console it is quite outstanding. The new techniques they are looking to do to improve FPS is also quite crazy with rendering the game at different resolutions at once depending on the location of the screen, DLSS is interesting too, and all the other methods they're looking to push forward in the up coming years. I just worry about the cost D:
Everyone knows console games can look much better because they can squeeze every bit of performance from the available hardware and because they use certain tricks to achieve better graphics. But i have a very hard time believing a console SOC is going to deliver such performance, how are they going to cool such chip on a closed system like that??? What´s the power budget available for the CPU if the GPU is that powerful??? I think this is all exaggerated but we´ll see.
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H83:

What´s the power budget available for the CPU if the GPU is that powerful???
Why are you freaking out? How much power does an 8 core Zen2 CPU need @ ~3.6GHz? Isn't it under 100W? They have one with a 65W TDP running @ 4.4GHz: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3700X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SXMZLPK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2ZHNFA9QN4YE5&keywords=amd+3700&qid=1582632718&sprefix=amd+3700%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-3 How much power would they need to feed a very efficient GPU? Maybe ~160W? Isn't it possible to cool something that's about 200W, if not less? No need to freak out)
#5763287
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Honestly it can be even lower than 65w.. the 35w H series turbos at 4.2 with 8 cores 16 threads - and is still 4x faster than the jaguars in the old xbox. Also I think its pretty clear that the overall power budget of the box is going to be more this time around.. it's way bigger surface area than past xbox launches.
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H83:

Everyone knows console games can look much better because they can squeeze every bit of performance from the available hardware and because they use certain tricks to achieve better graphics. But i have a very hard time believing a console SOC is going to deliver such performance, how are they going to cool such chip on a closed system like that??? What´s the power budget available for the CPU if the GPU is that powerful??? I think this is all exaggerated but we´ll see.
Zen2 is extremely efficient up to 4GHZ or so, depending on bin. After that the voltage/current needed for higher frequencies starts to grow exponentially. But I can enforce a 45W limit on my 3800X using PBO/PPT setting and it will still perform like 85% of it's capability at default 142W limit. So most of the power budget can be for the GPU, also my guess is it will use unified RAM for CPU+GPU like all consoles do. Also cooling it is not a problem, the problem is that in the past, console makers skimped as much as they could on cooling, because they don't want to spend money on copper heatsinks. That is what gave us the RROD problems with 360. Hopefully they learned their lesson, seems they have. The Xbox One X has much higher power consumption than the Xbox 360, but no hardware failure issues and is pretty quiet.
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Tbh also making all of that on single board with everything integrated to the max is gonna make the power budget smaller then comparing to a desktop with similar specs. Way smaller.
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Digilator:

Why are you freaking out? How much power does an 8 core Zen2 CPU need @ ~3.6GHz? Isn't it under 100W? They have one with a 65W TDP running @ 4.4GHz: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3700X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SXMZLPK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2ZHNFA9QN4YE5&keywords=amd+3700&qid=1582632718&sprefix=amd+3700,aps,205&sr=8-3 How much power would they need to feed a very efficient GPU? Maybe ~160W? Isn't it possible to cool something that's about 200W, if not less? No need to freak out)
Don´t worry, i´m not freaking out. I´m just expressing my doubts, or desbelieve if you prefer, over this, nothing else. 🙂 In the end, if the new X-box is really this powerful, no problem by me.
#5763318
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At the price/space/cooling/power limits you have for consoles, this wont be doing 4K@120 (its for 1080p), and its not even native 4K but upscaled (like on PS). Wont matter much if its faster, didnt help in past as Sony is outselling MS between 1:2 and 1:4 on consoles, not even talking about zero (relevant) exclusive titles on XB for 2y. @Denial sure that QHD is @120? im looking to get aUHD tv to use as moni, non so far i looked at are allowing 1440p at more than 60Hz.

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