LGA Socket 1700 for Alder Lake-S in 2021? (8 BIG + 8 little cores)
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Fox2232
I do not think they need 500 extra pins for power delivery. Would CPU with this configuration have use for 3 memory channels? I guess so.
Would it be possible to squeeze few more PCIe lanes or direct SATA/USB like Zen has? Sure.
While I see good reason to bash intel for new socket with every generation, this time new socket may be justified by benefits it provides.
asturur
While i hope to reuse my current MB for an zen3 chip, for the generic market, like 99% of people, a motherboard and a cpu last long. When is time to upgrade, whatever cpu is compatible with a long lasting motherboard is likely too slow.
If you bought a ryzen first gen, when that is an old platform, it will also be the 3x00 series.
The new socket is a problem is a topic that is valid just for the people that like to jump at every small perf increase, likely a very few that do not justify any kind of attention from intel.
I like to bash them too, but i realize is not really important.
RavenMaster
Would be nice if this was 7nm and supported DDR5 RAM and PCI-E 4.0
Ricardo
JamesSneed
Maybe this is simply how Intel is labeling the CPU's going forward? So 8 cores, 8 threads plus one GPU? The big little concept seems a bit weird in these power envelopes since we know from AMD you can fit 16 cores in a 105w TDP. Thats only going to get better on the new nodes. I am very skeptical of big little in anything over 45 watts.
H83
So many sockets...:\ Why can´t Intel simplify things like AMD is doing with a socket for mainstream CPUs and another for "server" ones...
EspHack
big little for desktop? sounds like they are realistically planning ahead to work around their current situation if it were to last for longer than what they would hope
by that i mean a 10900k-type fire hazard bundled with a more reasonable laptop chip so they can avoid looking like AMD with its 5ghz FX thingy that came with a water cooling unit
that way they can maybe keep claiming best gaming cpu while not burning up your rig on idling browser tabs, having a chip that runs at desktop-like perf while also capable of running for 10 hours on a laptop(4900hs) is what true progress looks like tho
JamesSneed
asturur
asturur
schmidtbag
Finally! I've been wanting something like big-LITTLE for x86 for years. This isn't exactly the approach I'd have wanted (I'd rather have a set of high-frequency with short pipelines, and a set of low-frequency with long pipelines) but this is a good step in the right direction. Whether there really needs to be 8 cores for low power tasks though.... I'm not so sure. That seems a bit overkill. Even ARM doesn't do 8 low-power cores, and their low power cores are computationally inferior.
This is one of the few cases where I'd give Intel a pass for a new socket. This is an architecturally different approach. Socket 1200 is total crap though and completely unnecessary.
Stairmand
schmidtbag
user1
Fox2232
D3M1G0D
schmidtbag
@Fox2232
Did you not read the post you quoted? Pretty much everything you said there is why I'm saying I don't want low-power cores in a desktop, but rather, equally powerful cores but at different types of tasks. I agree with pretty much everything you're saying but I think you're misinterpreting me.
Though, I do think a traditional big.LITTLE design would be good for mobile devices (and again, home, office, or general-purpose PCs).
sykozis
wavetrex
I feel that by the time this socket 1700 is released AMD will be capable of offering 16 equally powerful Zen 4 cores as a "Ryzen 5", while having 24-32 on the "Ryzen 7-9", all these on mainstream platform.
And each one of them will be 30% faster than existing Zen 2 cores, all running on 5nm TSMC, no "little" ones, while Zen 4 Threadripper will have 64, 96 or 128 of the same powerful cores.
Intel might be slightly faster in some "gaming scenario", running everything on low on RTX 3080 Ti in a 3 year old game, while obviously losing hard in everything else.
It will be nice to watch Intel being the loser for a few years ;-) Perhaps they finally wake up... I still remember the Athlon 64 days and how it roflstomped all over Pentium 4. Can't wait to see that happen once again. But ... I'll be much older when it does.
Denial