There is something in the article that caught my eye.

Bergamo processors will include up to 128 customizable Zen 4c cores

Can't find more in depth information about that. Have to look further. Can anyone with better in depth knowledge about CPUs what is that all about?

If the TDP is reasonable, that's some serious computing power! Are we expecting another HEDT lineup from the intels?

I'm happy to see AMD capping at 225W for this without holding back on adding performance. I'm getting pretty annoyed with Intel and Nvidia pushing power consumption to stupid levels just so they stay on top. Granted, AMD's 6950XT was a big step in the wrong direction, so shame on them for that.

anticupidon:

There is something in the article that caught my eye. Can't find more in depth information about that. Have to look further. Can anyone with better in depth knowledge about CPUs what is that all about?

zen 4 comes in 2 different variants , genoa at 96 cores and bergamo with 128 using a different core design known as zen4c , specifically for server workloads that benefit from the extra cores. this information was revealed last year in the fall if i recall correctly.

user1:

zen 4 comes in 2 different variants , genoa at 96 cores and bergamo with 128 using a different core design known as zen4c , specifically for server workloads that benefit from the extra cores. this information was revealed last year in the fall if i recall correctly.

Thanks. To inquire yet further, those cores, their functionality can be programmed, managed by a user? Sorry for my ignorance, but is this similar to E (Efficiency) and P-cores (Performance) in the CPU package, but with advanced control over them?

anticupidon:

Thanks. To inquire yet further, those cores, their functionality can be programmed, managed by a user? Sorry for my ignorance, but is this similar to E (Efficiency) and P-cores (Performance) in the CPU package, buy with advanced control over them?

i think that with customizable, they meant they can customize part of the cores for certain tasks for enterprise use, lets say deep learning, financial calculations, some scientific stuff, remember these are cloud and datacenter products, so probably they will be bought by bulk

anticupidon:

Thanks. To inquire yet further, those cores, their functionality can be programmed, managed by a user? Sorry for my ignorance, but is this similar to E (Efficiency) and P-cores (Performance) in the CPU package, buy with advanced control over them?

not like Intel, these are all P cores. the customization comes with the industry targeted. while almost all are for "the cloud", some are for hpc. and very unlike Intel all features are enabled - so "Sony", "Netflix" and "Google" can buy what they need (which is different for all three). there's also a very large market in bio-tech (CRISPR) and the energy sector. all functions can be monitored/accessed by the end user

schmidtbag:

I'm happy to see AMD capping at 225W for this without holding back on adding performance. I'm getting pretty annoyed with Intel and Nvidia pushing power consumption to stupid levels just so they stay on top. Granted, AMD's 6950XT was a big step in the wrong direction, so shame on them for that.

you really can't blame them (see: 3090/3080ti) so with faster memory we get a power tweak. with RDNA 3 we will get both (for most models except top) as the uArch improvements are on top of the node shrink imho, i think the difference in power consumption between Lovelace and RDNA 3 will have the board tilted in AMD's favor as you'll not need those 1Kw+ PSUs, but for Nvidia you will (above 4070). i'm looking for outstanding performance from both - but back on the industrial side this means that compliance with Paris Accords is out of the question for the Quadro line but the Instinct isn't. this makes a difference in EU corporate sales depending on the scale of use.

tunejunky:

this makes a difference in EU corporate sales depending on the scale of use.

Towards the real heavyweight (data center) users, can't they actually avoid limitations if they can put the waste heat to some use? Like industrial use or district heating?

anticupidon:

Thanks. To inquire yet further, those cores, their functionality can be programmed, managed by a user? Sorry for my ignorance, but is this similar to E (Efficiency) and P-cores (Performance) in the CPU package, but with advanced control over them?

afaik they have the same instruction set, they are both performance designs, they are just tuned for their specific niche, bergamo is basically just uses a more die space efficient version of zen4 core , which lets them pack more cores in. with maybe some tuning specific for cloud/server workloads. there won't be any chips with both core types on the same package most likely.

Kaarme:

Towards the real heavyweight (data center) users, can't they actually avoid limitations if they can put the waste heat to some use? Like industrial use or district heating?

yes...but at what expense? let's take the new Nvidia for example @ $48.5K... let's say NVLink is enabled with three cards (@ $150k)... while it would be a spectacular heater, the inefficiency (@ how much heat @ what price) is so far below Energy Star ratings its use would only be for humor. an industrial HVAC unit can be had for less $ and far more efficiency. during the Industrial Revolution your point was taken to heart with waste (steam) heat heating buildings, towns, and cities. but imho, the folks that should be putting waste heat to use are miners.

tunejunky:

while it would be a spectacular heater, the inefficiency (@ how much heat @ what price) is so far below Energy Star ratings its use would only be for humor. but imho, the folks that should be putting waste heat to use are miners.

They are actually doing it here in Finland, and are planning to do it more, to generate district heating. Data centers' business is not to generate heat, they will just generate it unavoidably, so I reckon it's kind of an environmental thing to try to put the heat to good use. I'm not sure if it's good business, as such, for a data center at all, but since the heat would be wasted otherwise, they can set the price randomly at a reasonable level. If the power company handling district heating can pay for it what it would otherwise pay for heat generated more traditionally, it's all good. Or maybe the power company doesn't even need to pay anything if they take it upon themselves to fund the system, which for the data center is cooling but for the power company is heating. I don't know how the financies are working. Crypto mining is based on distilled greed in its purest form, so nobody can affect them one way or another. No real infrastucture investor would collaborate with them since who could ever trust a mining lair would still be running even a couple of years from now?

Kaarme:

Crypto mining is based on distilled greed in its purest form,

so is living.

Kaarme:

They are actually doing it here in Finland, and are planning to do it more, to generate district heating. Data centers' business is not to generate heat, they will just generate it unavoidably, so I reckon it's kind of an environmental thing to try to put the heat to good use. I'm not sure if it's good business, as such, for a data center at all, but since the heat would be wasted otherwise, they can set the price randomly at a reasonable level. If the power company handling district heating can pay for it what it would otherwise pay for heat generated more traditionally, it's all good. Or maybe the power company doesn't even need to pay anything if they take it upon themselves to fund the system, which for the data center is cooling but for the power company is heating. I don't know how the financies are working. Crypto mining is based on distilled greed in its purest form, so nobody can affect them one way or another. No real infrastucture investor would collaborate with them since who could ever trust a mining lair would still be running even a couple of years from now?

that makes Finland a socially responsible place (more so than US where i'm at). as Robert Heinlein was famous for saying "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch", i just wish that more government agencies were agile enough to say "if you're going to mine you have to co-generate electricity or pay some form of a carbon tax". mainly because while the miners may be paying for their own hardware, the majority are using public infrastructure and rate-payers are subsidizing the miners. all the while burning carbon to get those hashes.