Most people apparently believe the Steam survey numbers are taken involuntarily and automatically every time a person logs on to Steam. That is not the case at all, according to Valve. Valve makes it very clear that the Steam survey is 100% voluntary--that means you must seek it out voluntarily and give the survey permission in an opt-in manner. I'd been on Steam for several years before I actually allowed Valve to survey my hardware, once, for the first time. And it's been years since that Steam survey took place and my hardware has actually changed several times since, including up to the present. Next week (provided MSRPs are observed) it will change again! Why people continue to delude themselves into thinking the Steam survey includes everyone on Steam is completely beyond me. It is the furthest thing out from "inclusive."
Pertinent quote from Valve: "Participation in the survey is optional"https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
And that says it all, imo.
The notion that AMD cpus used at Steam are shrinking while Intel's are growing proves the inaccuracy of the voluntary Steam survey method pretty convincingly. The major hardware suppliers in the EU and in the US clearly show the pronounced rise of AMD sales since Ryzen 1 shipped while simultaneously showing a very pronounced downward trend in the sale of Intel cpus--which of course is to be expected since Intel's many and varied vulnerabilities have received global publicity, as well as the fact that Intel has had trouble getting past its 14nm/12nm production nodes for Intel cpus--also globally publicized since Ryzen 1. Intel recently circulated a memo to its employees highlighting the problems that AMD is causing the company--I found it fairly interesting and truthful--except for the part about Intel's "secret sauce" as Intel put it in the memo! People who game on Steam are not stupid about buying their hardware, imo...;) Well, most of them, anyway--I refuse to believe otherwise.
https://www.techspot.com/news/80683-intel-internal-memo-highlights-competitive-challenges-amd-poses.htmlhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c94b6i/amd_cpu_sales_overtakes_intel_in_japan/https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c6w3lq/amd_vs_intel_cpu_sales_q1_2017_q1_2019_largest/https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c6nb3y/amd_market_share_increased_from_188_to_227_last/
There are a lot of these--these few came immediately to mind. The results in Germany's largest CPU supply house mirror these as well. The actual trends are unmistakable. Bear in mind the Peddie results are estimates and only estimate discrete GPU sales--mobile and console gpus not estimated here. Beginning next week AMD's CPU sales should be shooting through the roof, imo! Exciting times.
Aside from the fact that it is well-known that AMD's CPU sales are ramping up while Intel's are currently headed down, let's also consider the "security effect" as I call it. We've got so many people who object to Internet advertising that doesn't know anything about them beyond their IP address--not their names, addresses, phone numbers, email contacts, etc.--how much more are they going to resist the voluntary Steam hardware survey--without really knowing what Valve is looking at and what Valve does with the info? This doesn't describe me, but I'll wager this describes a lot of people with Steam accounts.
So, knowing that the Steam survey is 100% opt-in, 100% voluntary, what is the reasoning behind thinking the survey tells us anything of note? I cannot see how it does. It is certainly and completely contradicted by global cpu sales since the debut of Ryzen 1. Those trends are the opposite of what the voluntary Steam Survey shows. I know beyond a doubt that I am certainly not the only one who rarely if ever thinks about signing into the Steam hardware survey...;)
Extremely happy to see Nvidia doing better and better. The gap just widens and, though some people may not like this comment, if AMD can't get off their butts and compete in the GPU space, they deserve to be losing by this much.
Mindfactory is a flagship AMD store. Obviously they will sell mostly AMD.
Mindfactory is not owned by AMD. If you're going to make a claim like that, at least back it up.
Dribble:
It's only "botched" if one statistical group refuse to opt in more then another.
Oh its far more botched then that.
It's botched because i haven't had a request for a hardware survey in over 2 years, across 3 steam accounts, across 5 PCs. All of which have either had hardware changes, or are brand new PCs/laptops. And what do i mean by 2 years? I mean 2ish years ago i got ONE survey request on a PC that hadn't changed in years (really old laptop), before those 2 years? Ha, so long that i can't recall by now.
Steam surveys are simply, and plainly, pointless.
Extremely happy to see Nvidia doing better and better. The gap just widens and, though some people may not like this comment, if AMD can't get off their butts and compete in the GPU space, they deserve to be losing by this much.
You must be the only person on all of these forums who likes to see competition suffering...
I didn't say it's AMD department. I said it's a flagship AMD store. Americans likes a term - reseller.
Someones "flagship" is their own product or company.
AKA AMDs flagship store would be AMDs owned retail store, their biggest and best, if not only one.
Typically every retail company has "flagship" stores, it's their prized possession.
So again, mindfactory is not owned by AMD.
And i have yet to find a single person who likes AMD, or likes intel, who prefers one store over the other, as it doesn't matter, people care about what stores have the best prices and buy from them. People care about customer service as well, and will buy from them.
So no, there is no store owned by AMD, nor are their stores that have people who favor AMD or intel buying from them for any reason. If you're going to make a claim like that, at least back it up.
coth:
So far largest and most accurate statistical selection, most precise we have.
lol not even in the slightest and your previous post and this post with both comments you made just make me think you're trolling. But again as i've said before in other threads, you're coth, and this is the way you operate, by trolling, so i shouldn't be surprised.
I didn't say it's AMD department. I said it's a flagship AMD store. Americans likes a term - reseller.
The Ryzen 5 2600 is the best-selling CPU on Amazon.com right now. Is Amazon.com also a flagship AMD store? 😛
coth:
So far largest and most accurate statistical selection, most precise we have.
Nope. The Steam survey has always been a little suspect. Even in this recent survey, it shows dual-core CPUs growing the most (more than 6-core and 8-core CPUs combined). Who the hell is still buying dual cores for gaming in this day and age?
I share the opinion of many others that Valve should discontinue the survey and replace it with a more accurate statistic - just log the hardware people have, pure and simple (if for whatever reason someone doesn't want their hardware counted then have an option to turn it off). Why Valve chooses to continue with this bogus method is beyond me.
Aura89:
It's botched because i haven't had a request for a hardware survey in over 2 years, across 3 steam accounts, across 5 PCs. All of which have either had hardware changes, or are brand new PCs/laptops. And what do i mean by 2 years? I mean 2ish years ago i got ONE survey request on a PC that hadn't changed in years (really old laptop), before those 2 years? Ha, so long that i can't recall by now.
Yup. I have five PCs right now and only one of them received a survey option in the past two years - my old 4790K, which I was only using for testing purposes at the time (I opted out of it, as I did not want to add misleading results). My main gaming system has never received the option, nor my current laptop, nor any other PC that has Steam installed. There is a reason why I never trust the Steam survey - it absolutely does not reflect my current gaming setup.
Extremely happy to see Nvidia doing better and better. The gap just widens and, though some people may not like this comment, if AMD can't get off their butts and compete in the GPU space, they deserve to be losing by this much.
Not happy Nvidia has (lop-sided) increased market share. That enables them to slack off when they do not feel competition is much of a threat. Like what happened with Intel post-Sandy Bridge for a few years. Hope AMD can continue to come up with something every once in a while to keep Nvidia on their feet.
if ( user.hasIntel() && user.hasNovidia() ) { promptSurvey(); } else { // wait, there no else.... // suck it AMD fangays! }