Intel Will no Longer Disclose Multi-Core Turbo Boost Frequencies
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nz3777
What is with them Lately seriously?
Solfaur
So in a day and age where core number matters (so much that even Intel decided to catch up) they now only show the max clock from ONE core and brand the whole CPU as a higher frequency, clearly misleading on purpose? Sure, this is not an issue for enthusiasts, but you can bet a lot of "casual" buyers will fall for it.
nevcairiel
Yttersta
What an arse move by them!
Us knowledgeable and the enthusiasts alike will learn these details through reviews and websites anyway, but what of the mainstream who also do not overclock, what about the enterprises?
Those guys already have no idea about the importance of the architecture above the clock speed numbers, and they'll be just fall into this marketing BS.
Here is one hoping that dishonesty and tricks in marketing crap will not be met with positive outcomes in their favours... Gosh I hate corporations like this.
moeppel
Denial
Is this really any different than what Nvidia/AMD do with their GPUs? Nvidia guarantees a base frequency and they give you a "typical clock" frequency, but the actual boosted numbers are dynamic depending on TDP in the given application, they don't guarantee a boosted number or even state it. Like with a 980Ti, depending on your ASIC quality, there could be swings up to 10% in performance compared to someone with the exact same chip - because a lower ASIC card would hit TDP at lower frequencies.
H83
moeppel
Denial
MaCk0y
They do state it's single core frequency on their website. Cleverly hidden within the ? next to Max Turbo Frequency. 😀
Fox2232
There is perfectly good reason why not to let anyone know any solid number for this...
Quality variance between chips is way too high. And as consequence, different chips have different leakage and require different cooling or power delivery.
In other words once fully loaded, one chip may not be able to clock that high on all cores due to stability issues, other due to cooling solution and next due to VRMs on MB hitting their limit.
In such situation, any hard number on paper is bad number for intel. Too high and people complain that chips are not getting there, too low and people see those chips as not so good. Not giving numbers and giving good chips to reviewers = they do not provide any false info, reviewers will.
Basically this kind of marketing strategy hints that customers are there for lottery, and may end up being disappointed.
AlmondMan
Probably to "avoid confusion" - since if they have 3 different clocks normal people will just be confused all around. And it looks worse, too.
Cave Waverider
I guess without naming the all core boost frequency they could start selling CPUs with varying boost speeds on all cores depending on how stable the cores are. As long as one core is stable at the advertised frequency, they could cap the multi core boost if all cores aren't capable of whatever speed they used to target. Thus more units could pass validation this way and potentially be sold as a higher-end model at a higher price.
nevcairiel
sverek
With even more luck in CPU overclockability, I'd expect more returns. Poor retailers.
Ricepudding
TieSKey
When u consider all the following together:
Fact: the node/architecture is hitting a power wall (the low quality TIM isn't helping either and 18/36 can fry your mobo if u oc (supposedly mobo partners fault))
Rumor: Intel provided binned ES to partners and reviewers (they might be an ES but with so little changes from previous iteration... I wouldn't expect diffs with final)
Fact: higher core count CPUs have lower all cores boost than AMD alternatives
Fact: CL availability is hyper low
I think the most logical reason is they want to "increase shields" and get rid of potentially bad advertisement for their almost "vapor-ware" high core count CPUs.
Dazz
More than likely that some one using watercooling are hitting the specified turbo frequencies while someone using cheap air cooling are not getting anywhere near as high. So in Intels defense better leave it off they are damn hot chips. Pretty much all reviews of the chip are using watercooling and thus providing better than expected performance. Heck all reviews i have seen have used watercooling have 2x or 3x sized Rads, pair this up with a 1x rad or aircooling i bet performance will suffer alot.
schmidtbag
I still don't understand why Intel even mentions base clock, or rather, why the all-core turbo clocks are higher than the base clock. The all-core turbo clocks makes for a better selling point than the base clocks. If thermal throttling is the issue, how about shipping a heatsink that isn't made out of a pack of soda cans?
Meh, GPUs are a little too different. Their operation is more complex, and as you pointed out, more variable due to silicon quality. Even power delivery for GPUs is far more variable. Some of them demand more power than the industry standard rating. Some need to draw some power from the motherboard, without accounting for any other PCIe devices. There tends to be more EMI near GPUs. Meanwhile, CPUs (and their VRMs) are relatively isolated, and get plenty of shielding from thick heatsinks. What I'm getting at is it's pretty much impossible for GPUs to guarantee their boosted frequencies. When it comes to CPUs, unless you're using the stock heatsink and/or a real crappy PSU, you are going to get the advertised turbo speeds just fine. If this was really such a problem, Intel would've made this decision from the very beginning. That, or they ought to have put more time and effort to refine their product - we all know they've got the money for it.
TieSKey