Intel to release all Meltdown and Spectre patches before the end of January & AMD issues

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nosirrahx:

Of course but there needs to be an initial step to exploit the hardware. You are unlikely to encounter an exploit on your bank site or Amazon. On top of that IP and execution restrictions can cripple an exploit as the connections made and/or software downloaded will fail. If a successful exploit tells your system to download and install a bot but that bot and it's location are blocked by default deny then the successful exploit only leads to failed payload.
That is just playing with fire. In my experience sooner or later something will come and all firewalls and antivirus and anti-malware software will fail and then you are toasted and you know how this things go it will be sooner then later. You can be careful all you want, somebody else won't be and you will fail as collateral damage, there was last year that Malwarebyts was hacked and hackers put viral package in their product that they then distributed as "reputable" source. You download anti malware program to defend yourself and get as bonus virus, in the long run you can't win infection is just matter of when.
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Great.. Just when I finally switched from AMD+AMD to Intel+nVidia this happens.. Every new nVidia drivers offer small performance drop, and now also Intel and M$ updates are doing the same.. Next my PC will be AMD Ryzen 2 and Vega 2 or whatever new they will make, also will be safer or seems like. ..
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kruno:

That is just playing with fire. In my experience sooner or later something will come and all firewalls and antivirus and anti-malware software will fail and then you are toasted and you know how this things go it will be sooner then later. You can be careful all you want, somebody else won't be and you will fail as collateral damage, there was last year that Malwarebyts was hacked and hackers put viral package in their product that they then distributed as "reputable" source. You download anti malware program to defend yourself and get as bonus virus, in the long run you can't win infection is just matter of when.
Depends on how you are secured. Traditional security software is actively engineered against but actual access restrictions based on default deny is a completely different animal. One stops bad stuff (and mistakes can be made) the other stops everything that isn't explicitly allowed. Keep in mind that I am literally talking about dedicated hardware. A system like this may have in totality access to Windows updates, Amazon and one bank site, everything else fails to connect. You can't click on a bogus link on Facebook because Facebook won't open to begin with.
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I bought intel all my life, desktops and laptops. My last cpu is a 2500k and not worthy of at least a band aid fix so I can sleep better at night. Intel, never again.
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mbk1969:

I will correct you: I have not met mentions of write access in all Meltdown/Spectre descriptions. If you have then share the link, please.
I think it's still possible for a hacker to gain control of someone's computer through these exploits. Even though Meltdown/Spectre can only read from memory, the data collected (like passwords) can then be used to gain access to the system.
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nosirrahx:

Depends on how you are secured. Traditional security software is actively engineered against but actual access restrictions based on default deny is a completely different animal. One stops bad stuff (and mistakes can be made) the other stops everything that isn't explicitly allowed. Keep in mind that I am literally talking about dedicated hardware. A system like this may have in totality access to Windows updates, Amazon and one bank site, everything else fails to connect. You can't click on a bogus link on Facebook because Facebook won't open to begin with.
You are complicating things too much, we are talking here about 5+ years old hardware, simply it is not worth trouble to go through all of the things you suggest to secure Core2Duo or i5-2600k
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D3M1G0D:

I think it's still possible for a hacker to gain control of someone's computer through these exploits. Even though Meltdown/Spectre can only read from memory, the data collected (like passwords) can then be used to gain access to the system.
For that hacker should either create persistent (preferably hidden) process which acts with stolen credentials or connect remotely by legal Windows` means which are discoverable. Most of home users even have no logon with password. And most probably means to gain access are already exist. (Just for the sake of conversation.) PS Also if hacker managed to create persistent process which is launched with user`s logon then such process by default will be executed with credentials of that user. Right?
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AsiJu:

Obv. can't speak for him/her but I see it as: - never visit sites other than your bank, PayPal etc. what you need to - install firewall and AV software + anti-malware/spyware software with browsing protection (no perf. consideration needed) - don't install Java or Flash if at all possible. AFAIK no financial transactions need either. - keep the system offline when it's not necessary to access the Internet or update OS. - never insert a single USB disk into the system other than OS installation media (if needed). Absolutely foolproof? No. Very unlikely to get an infection? Yes.
Also dont visit porn or torrent sites in same session as financial transactions (obviously 😀). Although been using VMs for any shady site visits since long time, apparently thats not secure to these sort of threats, since VMs use same system memory which is not isolated from host.
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kruno:

You are complicating things too much, we are talking here about 5+ years old hardware, simply it is not worth trouble to go through all of the things you suggest to secure Core2Duo or i5-2600k
Depends on a lot of things. A dedicated laptop for just banking and Amazon, even if not locked down, is still safer than doing everything on a single system.
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nosirrahx:

Depends on a lot of things. A dedicated laptop for just banking and Amazon, even if not locked down, is still safer than doing everything on a single system.
no, there was multiple instances of compromised banking systems, and let's not get into MITM attacks,simply with unpatched system you are very vulnerable to attack. Better to use such system for something insignificant like YouTube or porn
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kruno:

insignificant like YouTube or porn
What's wrong with you? Youtube and especially porn are significant
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that will leave my i7 920 system un patch, which atm is moot it not even up and running, Would mean my Dou core 8400e is unpatched if it is uneffect, would mean my dads laptop is unpatched cause that is even older, my uncles i5 4xxx should be patched as falls in with the 5years, But if this effect cpu even older then 5 years intel needs to patch it
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Agent-A01:

What's wrong with you? Youtube and especially porn are significant
I guess these are essential parts of Sith training.
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On a positive note, AMD released and recalled there software PATCHES! o_O
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This is indeed good news.
RealNC:

So, what about people with CPUs older than 5 years? Middle finger and a FU from Intel?
Well there has to be a cut off. Look on how many CPUs have been made since 1995. Plus any vintage PC owners who have a Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III chip are very unlikely to have those PCs connected to the Internet. However I see where you are coming from CPUs from 2006-2012 they are still being used in one case or another. Consdering there are C2D and C2Q are still being used to this very day. There are users that are still using 1st generation Core i5s and i7s as well as Sandy Bridge CPUs.
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Fender178:

This is indeed good news. Well there has to be a cut off. Look on how many CPUs have been made since 1995. Plus any vintage PC owners who have a Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III chip are very unlikely to have those PCs connected to the Internet. However I see where you are coming from CPUs from 2006-2012 they are still being used in one case or another. Consdering there are C2D and C2Q are still being used to this very day. There are users that are still using 1st generation Core i5s and i7s as well as Sandy Bridge CPUs.
You know what thanks , you just gave me terrible idea, i have couple of old systems (Pentium and Pentium3) that i am planning to bring back to life. Until now i was not even considering to connect them to internet, but now thanks to you when i repair them i will try to connect them.I have couple of old PCI 100Mb LAN cards laying around it is going to be fun connecting Win95 and 98 to internet.
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kruno:

From Intel with love :
It would be incredibly naive to believe Intel, and government agencies, haven't known about this for a ridiculously long time. Idiot inside? More like greed inside. "Oops, we didn't know about this massive design flaw we've been making for over a decade LOL" I seriously doubt that.
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Last year every tech media site,every mainstream media,every software developer talk us about how wonderful is Virtual Reality, how wonderful is Artificial Intelligence(and how obsolete are humans), how wonderful are Virtual machines, how useful is cloud space,etc. Then...BAM! We have hardware with manufacturer backdoors and hack access.Gathering Intelligence at the finest. https://s13.postimg.org/dipzunaav/ahahha.jpg How "wonderful" is world we living in it ,isn't? 😀
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according to that 6700k still didnt geting there updates, or it atlest when i do search for 6700k an click it link it still not updated as still show from nov of 2017 for 6700k specifically and even then i not sure i want to manaul install microcodes, I hoping MS windows update pushs the the fixed microcode, as i dont even want to be messing with the bios updates either