Intel requests to halt applying Spectre and Meltdown patches for number of CPUs on certain systems

fantaskarsef

2018-01-23 09:05

fantaskarsef:

Yet all I hear is "we've known for half a year and didn't care to produce proper fixes", since if they did something in that half year, they might have known that there's a ton of bugs with their updates, be it AMD systems (I now think m$ screwed that one up too), as well as Intel systems.

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justdoge

2018-01-23 09:34

so if I understand it correctly - whatever happens there will be no fix for spectre v2?

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fantaskarsef

2018-01-23 09:38

justdoge:

so if I understand it correctly - whatever happens there will be no fix for spectre v2?

They are saying they have found the cause of the update issues and are working to fix them, so at some point there will be a fix. Sometime later, no ETA given.

#5513329

cryohellinc

2018-01-23 10:20

This is heaven time for hackers.

#5513334

Solfaur

2018-01-23 10:41

Okay so about a week ago my PC started to randomly wake up from sleep. I thought nothing of it at first and blamed it on some Windows updates restarting during the night, but since it happens now pretty much all the time I stopped using sleep. Maybe this is the problem... sigh.

#5513361

-Tj-

2018-01-23 12:53

fantaskarsef:

They are saying they have found the cause of the update issues and are working to fix them, so at some point there will be a fix. Sometime later, no ETA given.

Next week they will release more info

#5513365

DeskStar

2018-01-23 13:11

Sandybridge-e up in here....!! Looks like I made a right choice somewhere by not upgrading..... I'm sticking with what I've got for another year or so as it's suited needs quite well over the last three...

#5513381

fantaskarsef

2018-01-23 14:03

-Tj-:

Next week they will release more info

Thanks for the info. Technically, next week every patch should be out, end of January etc. 😀

#5513387

m4dn355

2018-01-23 14:17

Does anybody know if Skylake is affected by Skyfall? 😉

#5513403

Alessio1989

2018-01-23 15:10

https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/21/192

#5513410

schmidtbag

2018-01-23 15:30

Seems Intel isn't used to being under the pressure of needing to develop things quickly (though honestly a half year ought to have been enough time to fix this). They've so comfortably sat at the top for so long and now that they have to actually try, they're making mistakes.

DeskStar:

Sandybridge-e up in here....!! Looks like I made a right choice somewhere by not upgrading..... I'm sticking with what I've got for another year or so as it's suited needs quite well over the last three...

Eh... I wouldn't be so quick to think so. This could be like AMD's situation where they just never bothered to thoroughly test older products. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I'm just saying to be careful.

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fantaskarsef

2018-01-23 16:40

Alessio1989:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/21/192

Ah thanks for posting it here, I read it while not at home and couldn't find it afterwards.

schmidtbag:

Seems Intel isn't used to being under the pressure of needing to develop things quickly (though honestly a half year ought to have been enough time to fix this). They've so comfortably sat at the top for so long and now that they have to actually try, they're making mistakes. Eh... I wouldn't be so quick to think so. This could be like AMD's situation where they just never bothered to thoroughly test older products. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I'm just saying to be careful.

Ah yes I completly agree on both of those. First Intel does give me the feeling of being a tech giant and doing things properly, fast or even technically right here... THAT's why people should sue them. Just waiting on some major breach by spectre or meltdown abuse. And yes, I too do not trust any more updates... Intel themselves are telling people to not put every update they have to use right now.

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TheDeeGee

2018-01-23 16:55

justdoge:

so if I understand it correctly - whatever happens there will be no fix for spectre v2?

There will be. It's called: "Cough up 900 Euros for a new CPU, Motherboard and RAM".

#5513499

H83

2018-01-23 18:17

So what to do know??? Wait for better patches??? This situation is becoming such a mess...

TheDeeGee:

There will be. It's called: "Cough up 900 Euros for a new CPU, Motherboard and RAM".

That´s a good one. But to be fair, we can buy those parts for half the price.

#5513515

slyphnier

2018-01-23 19:06

there is no complete secure in first place anyway so even there is nasty security hole, but for most civil pc user... who going target those PC anyway ? dont think hacker will waste their time in your rig, not especially if you are not doing bitcoin mining, not a billionare, not a gov/political member, or not celebrities but i wonder if ever intel fix this in hardware level for their next gen cpu ? even if say its easy to fix, and they release the product that fix it, but that mean, they basically kill the previous~older generation, as i dont think people (that know about the issue) will even bought it

#5513584

DLD

2018-01-24 00:01

Overproduction is taking it's toll - instead of having a decent, well studied new CPU/chipset/GPU/OS generation once in a 5-6 years, we are constantly being flooded by the half-finished products of a suspicious quality/reliability. M$oft window$ full of leakages and the hardware that do not bring significant advantages over their predecessors, while bringing more problems to PC users.

#5513611

schmidtbag

2018-01-24 01:44

slyphnier:

there is no complete secure in first place anyway so even there is nasty security hole, but for most civil pc user... who going target those PC anyway ? dont think hacker will waste their time in your rig, not especially if you are not doing bitcoin mining, not a billionare, not a gov/political member, or not celebrities

When it comes to this type of security flaw, the average PC is the best target. Servers and mainframes are not ideal, because they have multiple layers of protection leading up to them. So the way I see it, they're not really any easier to have Spectre and Meltdown exploited than it would be any other form of hacking or malware. But the average home PC is barely protected at all. There can be good money in creating viruses and trojans for PCs. When you've got access to something so low-level, you can get a lot of important info from people.

but i wonder if ever intel fix this in hardware level for their next gen cpu ? even if say its easy to fix, and they release the product that fix it, but that mean, they basically kill the previous~older generation, as i dont think people (that know about the issue) will even bought it

I'm sure that depends on whether they knew how to fix it before the design was completed and hit production.

#5513697

Fox2232

2018-01-24 09:16

Best thing about getting fix for a fix is, that we are going to have new sets of benchmarks to look at 😀

#5513721

goodsmac

2018-01-24 10:48

I patched my Intel NUC i3 7100u (Kaby-Lake) with the official bios from intel and my desktop (Asus Rampage IV Black Edition X79, i7 4960X (Ivy-Bride-E)) with UBU 1.69.10, each with the "buggy microcode" from intel and i can not confirm the reboot issue.

#5513723

Fox2232

2018-01-24 11:00

goodsmac:

I patched my Intel NUC i3 7100u (Kaby-Lake) with the official bios from intel and my desktop (Asus Rampage IV Black Edition X79, i7 4960X (Ivy-Bride-E)) with UBU 1.69.10, each with the "buggy microcode" from intel and i can not confirm the reboot issue.

Sandy / Ivy is not affected by reboot bug because intel did not release fix for V2 for them which is responsible (with one exception). Our business Kabylake-U is affected. You just did not notice yet. Our business Broadwell-U managed to do quite a few funny things since patching. Occasional restart/freeze/iGPU data corruption... But we have large number of devices, so opportunity to see issues is several magnitudes greater. Secondly, inability to confirm something whot has been confirmed is really not important.