Intel Procs Again hit By Massive Vulnerability (called Spoiler)
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schmidtbag
Memory speed isn't relevant to the vast majority of CPU customers. Enthusiasts like you and I care about it, but we have very little influence on Intel's sales. It has a greater impact for AMD, but not still not in a way they need to concern over.
As a side note, I have 2x8GB DIMMs with the same ratings are yours, and I've got them operating at 3.2GHz at the same latency. Since we're talking dual-channel CPUs here, having more modules per channel decreases your max overclock (regardless of what CPU you get) so it's possible I wouldn't be able to reach 3.2 if I had 4x sticks. It's also worth pointing out I bought my memory back in 2016 (back when memory prices were actually good haha) before Ryzen was even released, so my memory has no optimizations for AMD.
tsunami231
AMD has my next PC build if I make one and seeing I never owned AMD CPU of any kind the since Amx86 series which left a sour taste, and I refused to touch them since, that is saying something that I going after AMD Ryzen next especial if those prices are right.
Intel is trying to skirt by with whats left of there reputation while still increasing prices on cpu which just have it performance knocked down by all these flaws.
Dimitrios1983
INTEL's time has come and gone. Really no point in buying INTEL products unless you like wasting money or just want to be a few FPS faster then the rest. Karma seems to be real and I waited long time for this.
Mufflore
I'm struggling to see the point(s) you are making, no offence.
If AMD arent going to optimise for enthusiasts, its not going to help my situ.
Should I be able to get the same performance/features as Intel without annoying downsides I will upgrade to AMD over the next 2 years.
I'm always itching to get something new but nothing from either side is worth it atm.
schmidtbag
I was saying how AMD's greatest weaknesses is how certain products in the past tarnished their reputation and push off potential buyers (which in turn, brings them to Intel). To my understanding, you were saying how memory speed is another thing holding them back. So, my point was to say that memory speed isn't a major interest to anyone who isn't an enthusiast; enthusiasts make up too small a percentage of sales for either Intel and AMD to care. So, I understand your "situ" (for the most part, I, as well as most people here agree with you) but my counter-point is we aren't what's really pushing the industry.
Does that help clear things up?
Makes sense.
Mufflore
Aye 🙂
AMD have a chance to take the crown atm, but not with such blatant shortcomings.
Intel have shown its possible to better handle faster memory speed with mainstream products.
But with all the security issues popping up without fixes, or fixes that reduce performance substantially, I have little faith in them.
I give away old hardware but cannot do that to people I care about when it has open security holes.
I need AMD to step up their game, otherwise I wont be happy with any purchase in the next few years and will likely stay put.
I'm not enthusiastic about being an enthusiast atm.
schmidtbag
I agree AMD needs to work on their memory situation, though, I don't think it's as bad as you're making it out to be. 3400MHz is achievable on most modern AMD systems and that's pretty much as fast as you really need to go in most cases. Of course, I'm not suggesting we settle; there are pretty good performance improvements in some applications when you go higher, especially for APUs.
For me personally, I'm still a bit underwhelmed by AMD's core clock speeds and latency. I'm feeling hopeful Zen2 will fix the clock issues (for CPU and RAM), though, I'm feeling especially pessimistic about the latency with the whole chiplet design.
I'm not sure where you live, but you could always do what I do with my old hardware: repurpose it for BOINC to generate heat during the winter and contribute to scientific research. I have 3x workstation GPUs and a liquid-cooled FX-6300 in my bedroom and I've never once needed to turn the radiator on even when it was well below freezing outside. Security is hardly an issue with such PCs and frankly, anyone who wants to interfere with a computer trying find a cure for child cancer deserves to rot in hell.
TLD LARS
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Memory speed should not be a big enough reason to run away from Ryzen.
Personally i run 3200MHz 2x8gb Gskill sticks, that do not show up on the AMD recommended memory list, but they still run fine at 3200Mhz on a Ryzen 1700 and the 2000 series should be better.
Remember Intel rates the memory at 2666 (9900k) and AMD is rated at 2933 (2700x), so in theory you are not allowed to complain, if a CPU can not reach a memory speed above these specs.
For me it was the price, cooling, motherboard support, and multi tread performance, that kept me away from a 8700k, the 9000 series did not change much in that regard.
Mufflore
I was clear about it being one reason.
schmidtbag covered some more.
I explained the speed ram I have and what it achieves on my 6700K system.
You are telling me I should buy AMD and suck the loss.
lol.
TheDeeGee
Sucks for Intel people will upgrade to Zen2 instead.
Noisiv
doesn't wanna take one for the team
is why we cant have nice things
Mufflore
Thats not taking one for the team, its shafting the team!
People taking one is the reason why they get off not making it right.
;)
The point is 'I want nice things'.
fry178
what he means is the official rating for intel is 2666, amd 2933, which last time i checked is higher ;-)
anything ABOVE these numbers is NOT GUARANTEED to run, but might.
so dont expect amd to run at speeds that arent even supported on intels (equivalent), or say its a problem. even if its one for "us", its NOT one for the 80% that influence the sales.
Robbo9999
Ok, so it says in the article that "an attacker...requires some kind of foothold in your machine in order to pull this off". If that's the case, then wouldn't an attacker with a foothold in your machine be able to use other types of attacks rather than this new Spectre attack to retrieve the same information - I mean it's another potential tool in their arsenal, but I'm surmising that they'd be able to find out the same information in other ways if they already had a foothold in your machine. If this is the case, then it kind of downplays the importance/significance of this new Spectre style attack, because it's probably not really increasing risk.
HonoredShadow
Surely I won't need to use this fix if I have used InSpectre program? Just checking if this is something additional.
Kaarme
If someone wants to hijack your PCs for a botnet to ddos sites around the world for money, they aren't really the kind of people who would care. They are the kind of people who would steal a lollipop from a child's hand.
Glottiz
You guys are so clueless and live in a echo-chamber of hardware enthusiast forums. People said the same thing when Spectre/Meltdown was discovered, but Intel is doing just fine with record sales. Just because you are hardware enthusiast and can assemble a PC from parts doesn't mean you know how real world works.
https://i.imgur.com/7OAnlB1.png
sverek
The guys talk for themselves, not for majority of the people.
But you are welcome to support the Intel along with the majority who has no idea what AMD or CPU is.
mbk1969
Screw the vulnerabilities, give me the speculative execution (and other features) for performance.
Mufflore
Yet the motherboards are specced to run ram way faster on Intel boards, each with a list of memory they have verified.
My specific memory from Corsair is for overclocking, I bought it because of this.
Indeed, with the right mobo and ram the eventual overclock is very good.
Nothing out of the ordinary is happening.
