Still looking rather bleak for Intel in the server market. Price points just aren't good compared to the competition (and not just AMD).

schmidtbag:

Still looking rather bleak for Intel in the server market. Price points just aren't good compared to the competition (and not just AMD).

A lot of businesses will stick with Intel as far they have better chances their existing vms will transfer with 0 issues and with as less testing as possible. Often the owner of the company has 0 clue how any of those work and when is time to update the it department decides ...well voices what they need and then is approved or not. So then is to the team if they want to take even the slightest chance.

Venix:

A lot of businesses will stick with Intel as far they have better chances their existing vms will transfer with 0 issues and with as less testing as possible. Often the owner of the company has 0 clue how any of those work and when is time to update the it department decides ...well voices what they need and then is approved or not. So then is to the team if they want to take even the slightest chance.

I guess there are 2 counterpoints to that: 1. Intel's reliability has plummeted in the past few years. While I wouldn't say AMD's is better, Intel's isn't good. A lot of Intel's reliability struggles are behind them (security vulnerabilities and 10nm delays in particular) but with newer technologies like AVX10, E-cores, and VPUs, there's a lot of room for error that may not have emerged yet. 2. One of the key benefits of VMs is to be platform-agnostic, but even if they weren't, Intel's recent architectural changes (especially Xeons) are significant enough where I think AMD is actually less of a "culture shock" to software. I say this because AMD still uses just a single set of homogenous cores with SMT, just like Intel used to have.

Venix:

Often the owner of the company has 0 clue how any of those work and when is time to update the it department decides ...well voices what they need and then is approved or not. So then is to the team if they want to take even the slightest chance.

this is 100% why Intel spends a fortune on marketing... "Intel Inside" was the single best slogan in the history of the pc industry.... "dude, that's a Dell" hasn't aged as well but sometimes Intel suffers from groupthink and has stuck with the comfortable even when it was bad for business. still idk how a company can spend billions on processes yet remain complacent. thank the dewy eyed deity that mr. Gelsinger is there now, but legacy is a mangy three legged female dog, especially in the server market they used to dominate as is the fact they're basically aced out in cloud servers and even their legacy clients are switching to AMD and getting more, for less edit: also Intel is up against institutional mandates by nations, states, provinces, territories, as well as corporate mandates regarding "green" initiatives. the difference between AMD and Intel in one server farm's power demand is shocking. some places are mandating co-generation or solar/ wind requirements on farm operators

tunejunky:

"dude, that's a Dell" hasn't aged as well but sometimes Intel suffers from groupthink and has stuck with the comfortable even when it was bad for business.

lol for me it was always "dude... that's a Dell..." with a very concerned/annoyed tone.

still idk how a company can spend billions on processes yet remain complacent. thank the dewy eyed deity that mr. Gelsinger is there now, but legacy is a mangy three legged female dog, especially in the server market they used to dominate as is the fact they're basically aced out in cloud servers and even their legacy clients are switching to AMD and getting more, for less

I know in some cases, it's due to contracts. In other cases, AMD just can't produce enough chips. Friggin Qualcomm has a much greater slice of TSMC's pie than all of AMD (including RTG) and I don't think any of their dies take up more wafer space than a desktop Ryzen CCD, let alone all the ones needed to make a single Epyc 9754 or a 7900XTX. Don't forget Mediatek and Samsung, who also collectively make up more of TSMC's pie than AMD, but are more of competitors to Qualcomm. Even Intel themselves are using TSMC (which I still think is a way for them to sabotage AMD's production). So long as AMD can't keep up with demand, Intel is going to rake in billions as the only alternative for x86-based servers.

schmidtbag:

lol for me it was always "dude... that's a Dell..." with a very concerned/annoyed tone. I know in some cases, it's due to contracts. In other cases, AMD just can't produce enough chips. Friggin Qualcomm has a much greater slice of TSMC's pie than all of AMD (including RTG) and I don't think any of their dies take up more wafer space than a desktop Ryzen CCD, let alone all the ones needed to make a single Epyc 9754 or a 7900XTX. Don't forget Mediatek and Samsung, who also collectively make up more of TSMC's pie than AMD, but are more of competitors to Qualcomm. Even Intel themselves are using TSMC (which I still think is a way for them to sabotage AMD's production). So long as AMD can't keep up with demand, Intel is going to rake in billions as the only alternative for x86-based servers.

yup and that's the pivot ARM based server makers are wanting you to make. especially in dealing with hybrid's as if you're going to institute a change make a change. ARM servers are hot and TSMC laughs... but watch out for the up and coming Korean ARM race:p but in the big money cloud market they can afford to buy fresh off the fab and it's just about all AMD can do except under DoE and DoD contract

tunejunky:

yup and that's the pivot ARM based server makers are wanting you to make. especially in dealing with hybrid's as if you're going to institute a change make a change. ARM servers are hot and TSMC laughs... but watch out for the up and coming Korean ARM race:p but in the big money cloud market they can afford to buy fresh off the fab and it's just about all AMD can do except under DoE and DoD contract

Indeed. My home server uses ARM (it's not an actual server platform, just a standard Rockchip SBC) and it does everything I want very well while sipping power. For large-scale web servers, ARM is a great choice.