fry178:

@RavenMaster buying a semi, and expecting it to turn like a 2 door sports car. ok...

Lol exactly. Now trying moving the contents of your house across the country, the semi will smoke the 50 trips it takes the two door sports car. The car may have better single threaded performance be it gets killed in multi threaded performance by the semi.

holystarlight:

that's unfortunate you experience this issue but I can only imagine it has something to do with the Asrock x399.

I second that, asrock has been nothing but trouble for me with both AMD and Intel.

It will be a while till I abandon my 5930K at 4.6 GHz, that said, I am cheering for AMD. Asrock has been good to me.

angelgraves13:

Intel continues to embarrass themselves...

No, you embarasd yourself by posting this... Fastest has never been cheap 😉

schmidtbag:

At first I was going to ask "why don't they just call this the 9940XE?" but perhaps Intel is marketing this based on it's overall performance rather than the theoretical performance if you had LN2. But that gets to be more confusing, because it seems like Intel is basically shooting themselves in the foot by saying "eh, you don't need to spend extra with all those cores, this cheaper model at a higher clock will do just fine". As Hilbert pointed out, you could just get the 9940X and overclock it (or really, the 7940X). Meanwhile, it doesn't look good on their Xeons, which are much more expensive and have much lower clock speeds. Sticking with the 44 lanes is no surprise. Intel isn't going to restructure the entire socket to fit in a few more. Whenever Intel hurries up and makes a new architecture, that's when I expect more lanes. Also, I'd say AMD is already "getting it together". They have a lot of room for improvement but if the rumors about Zen2 are true, it looks like those improvements are just around the corner. These are a bargain compared to their Xeons.

Nothing from intel as of late has and could be considered a "bargain...." I'm just pissed the computer parts have gone the way of shite when talking prices. Unbelievable they're able to sell at these prices. Then again....if people didn't buy it at said prices they wouldn't be able to do it.

Aekold:

255W TDP?!? With that many cores clocked so high, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It just feels like I'm looking at a GPU instead of a CPU. The 12v rails will be working hard if paired with a decent graphics card.

that's why i have three 1.5k PSU's on hand at all times. Two of which are always hooked up to the main rig.

DeskStar:

Nothing from intel as of late has and could be considered a "bargain...." I'm just pissed the computer parts have gone the way of shite when talking prices. Unbelievable they're able to sell at these prices. Then again....if people didn't buy it at said prices they wouldn't be able to do it.

That's why I said "compared to Xeons". Though, after taking a look at the actual 14c/28t Xeons from 2017, they're actually not as ludicrously expensive as I expected. Still overpriced, but I thought I recalled the i9s being thousands of dollars cheaper, but apparently not.

schmidtbag:

That's why I said "compared to Xeons". Though, after taking a look at the actual 14c/28t Xeons from 2017, they're actually not as ludicrously expensive as I expected. Still overpriced, but I thought I recalled the i9s being thousands of dollars cheaper, but apparently not.

Right on. I just remember the days with a high end CPU and GPU in your system that didn't run over 1.5-2k USD in a killer build. Now that's the cost of a graphics card let alone CPU's. Come back with the days of the $4-500 six core twelve threaded releases that have pretty much on them capability wise in the way of what is offered today. Oh and that was almost seven to eight years ago!

DeskStar:

Right on. I just remember the days with a high end CPU and GPU in your system that didn't run over 1.5-2k USD in a killer build. Now that's the cost of a graphics card let alone CPU's. Come back with the days of the $4-500 six core twelve threaded releases that have pretty much on them capability wise in the way of what is offered today. Oh and that was almost seven to eight years ago!

I see what you're saying but I somewhat disagree. High-end hardware from 8 years ago was probably the cheapest in computer history but it was also the least impressive relative to consumer-level products. There weren't any major new technologies, there weren't any CPUs with really high core counts, it was rare to see a GPU with more than 2GB of VRAM, and so on. SSDs were the only kinda new thing, and they were very expensive. Go back another 8 years and you'll find high-end hardware (when adjusting for inflation) wasn't really a whole lot cheaper than it is now, and it got obsoleted within months. Go back another 8 years and you'll find high-end desktop PCs that cost as much as a brand new modern economy car, without accounting for inflation. But today, it's not so easy to make such comparisons. In previous decades, high-end hardware was, at best, 3x faster than consumer grade, but usually no more than twice as good. Now, we're looking at high-end hardware that even exceeds 8x the performance of a mainstream laptop. Sure, modern hardware is ludicrously expensive, but it's also proportionately way more powerful than what we're used to. Since most software hasn't (and probably won't) utilize so many CPU cores, you can still get a very good PC for a reasonable price. Buying high-end now is more of a status symbol rather than necessity, and hardware doesn't obsolete as quickly as it used to. Of course, 4K-capable GPUs are a bit of the exception. Those are currently the only hardware that I find to be way too expensive for what they can do.

nizzen:

No, you embarasd yourself by posting this... Fastest has never been cheap 😉

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is just a factory overclocked 14 core CPU so it is just as embarrassing as the AMD FX9590, because the CPU is well past its optimal efficiency. I am ready to put money on that this CPU is not going to stick with the TDP on most motherboards either, they are going to run it at 300-350W or less then stock and sell it for more, because the part number is higher.

Its funny reading some of these comments. Fact is Intel has a better product and AMD is two years behind. I bought the 7820X in June 2017 and only in 2019 Q3 might AMD catch up and have simular IPC performance. The X299 platform is rock solid and offers quad channel memory. With the 9990XE its a cpu i can buy down the road when its cheaper in a couple years or save and look forward to X399 10nm or 10nm+. At the end of the day it comes down to your requirements and tolerance. Before the 7820X i had the Core i5 750 Lynnfield, wait along time to upgrade. Some people buy the best and stretch the dollar. Honestly waiting for Nvidia 3080 RTX and going mobile with 12core cpu. Its getting pretty sweet. Just gotta time your cycles. Peace.

Middleman:

Its funny reading some of these comments. Fact is Intel has a better product and AMD is two years behind. I bought the 7820X in June 2017 and only in 2019 Q3 might AMD catch up and have simular IPC performance. The X299 platform is rock solid and offers quad channel memory. With the 9990XE its a cpu i can buy down the road when its cheaper in a couple years or save and look forward to X399 10nm or 10nm+. At the end of the day it comes down to your requirements and tolerance. Before the 7820X i had the Core i5 750 Lynnfield, wait along time to upgrade. Some people buy the best and stretch the dollar. Honestly waiting for Nvidia 3080 RTX and going mobile with 12core cpu. Its getting pretty sweet. Just gotta time your cycles. Peace.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like you say, it is all about preference. A top 1 gen. Threadripper is faster then the 7820x at some work loads and the Intel 8700k was faster at many gaming loads. The X299 platform was not rock solid in the beginning, and the heatspreader/thermal paste problem, kept me away from buying into the platform.

Lost interest in the core count once it went above 8c/16t.

As a HEDT customer, I find it rather distasteful how their "flagship" product has less cores and less cache than the 9980XE. This product is basically a binned 9940X that's been overclocked - could they really not call it the 9940XE instead? What's next? A binned 9960X called the 9999XE? The increase in performance comes nowhere close to justifying the increase in TDP (and of course the TDP is base clocks only so who knows how high it will go at turbo). A stupid product, in general. I'm surprised they didn't do another 5 GHz all core demo using a chiller :P (still waiting for that 28-core 5 GHz CPU)

schmidtbag:

I see what you're saying but I somewhat disagree. High-end hardware from 8 years ago was probably the cheapest in computer history but it was also the least impressive relative to consumer-level products. There weren't any major new technologies, there weren't any CPUs with really high core counts, it was rare to see a GPU with more than 2GB of VRAM, and so on. SSDs were the only kinda new thing, and they were very expensive. Go back another 8 years and you'll find high-end hardware (when adjusting for inflation) wasn't really a whole lot cheaper than it is now, and it got obsoleted within months. Go back another 8 years and you'll find high-end desktop PCs that cost as much as a brand new modern economy car, without accounting for inflation. But today, it's not so easy to make such comparisons. In previous decades, high-end hardware was, at best, 3x faster than consumer grade, but usually no more than twice as good. Now, we're looking at high-end hardware that even exceeds 8x the performance of a mainstream laptop. Sure, modern hardware is ludicrously expensive, but it's also proportionately way more powerful than what we're used to. Since most software hasn't (and probably won't) utilize so many CPU cores, you can still get a very good PC for a reasonable price. Buying high-end now is more of a status symbol rather than necessity, and hardware doesn't obsolete as quickly as it used to. Of course, 4K-capable GPUs are a bit of the exception. Those are currently the only hardware that I find to be way too expensive for what they can do.

Dude I'm on six to eight year old hardware at most. And there's people going back to said hardware because of today being a joke in lieu of limitations. Let me give you 44 PCI-e lanes and then make them lanes limited for the next foreseeable future. But make more hardware run off of limited lanes. M.2 being the biggest carrot dangled in peoples faces altogether... That is if you're talking about "consumer level" hardware that is. Come on...... and really with he inflation shtuff and speak of that far back then sure by all means let me back up that semi sized computer to your house from back when. You kinda but don't see my point but then disagree entirely about my point and say nothing tangible in regards to said point. Limited hardware now after said hardware was mainstream BEFORE is my gripe. Let me spell it out there now that i feel i need to.

schmidtbag:

I see what you're saying but I somewhat disagree. High-end hardware from 8 years ago was probably the cheapest in computer history but it was also the least impressive relative to consumer-level products. There weren't any major new technologies, there weren't any CPUs with really high core counts, it was rare to see a GPU with more than 2GB of VRAM, and so on. SSDs were the only kinda new thing, and they were very expensive. Go back another 8 years and you'll find high-end hardware (when adjusting for inflation) wasn't really a whole lot cheaper than it is now, and it got obsoleted within months. Go back another 8 years and you'll find high-end desktop PCs that cost as much as a brand new modern economy car, without accounting for inflation. But today, it's not so easy to make such comparisons. In previous decades, high-end hardware was, at best, 3x faster than consumer grade, but usually no more than twice as good. Now, we're looking at high-end hardware that even exceeds 8x the performance of a mainstream laptop. Sure, modern hardware is ludicrously expensive, but it's also proportionately way more powerful than what we're used to. Since most software hasn't (and probably won't) utilize so many CPU cores, you can still get a very good PC for a reasonable price. Buying high-end now is more of a status symbol rather than necessity, and hardware doesn't obsolete as quickly as it used to. Of course, 4K-capable GPUs are a bit of the exception. Those are currently the only hardware that I find to be way too expensive for what they can do.

And I've been gaming on this ancient hardware at 4K, so it really hasn't been ll that bad. Now i game on it in 6880X2880 DSR and its a dream. Couldn't be happier with my investment as I see it at this point its putting money back into my pockets. And i have this monster system waiting for something worthy to let it cool it.

i3 2120 + GTX 1060 is pretty much all I need for 1080p gaming. What gives? Pft.

shadex:

i3 2120 + GTX 1060 is pretty much all I need for 1080p gaming. What gives? Pft.

How is 1080p gaming relevant to this processor?

btw you will have the full core at lower freq. as a Xeon...

yasamoka:

How is 1080p gaming relevant to this processor?

lol 🙂

holystarlight:

I'm running 3 different Threadripper systems at home 1950x, 2950x and 2990WX, on the asus zenith extreme with no high DPC latency issues on either of them. the 2990WX System runs some very high end audio equipment that would be very sensitive to any latency issues. that's unfortunate you experience this issue but I can only imagine it has something to do with the Asrock x399.

I was exited to see by myself what TR can do when a friend get one (btw same asus board than you). He had all what this guy have as issue, and work worse than Ryzen in some case. It's like the Titan wich sit in two world that can be beaten by the GTX/RTX and is not enough facing high end Quadro, but still have client to buy them. I was, as him, very dissapointed. I keep think that the high end Ryzen is still the better choise or you can go to Xeon for work.

DeskStar:

Dude I'm on six to eight year old hardware at most. And there's people going back to said hardware because of today being a joke in lieu of limitations.

Yes, and you can get new hardware today that competes with it at a much lower price than what you paid. Of course, you don't need to - as you said, your old hardware works just fine, so why replace it?

Let me give you 44 PCI-e lanes and then make them lanes limited for the next foreseeable future. But make more hardware run off of limited lanes. M.2 being the biggest carrot dangled in peoples faces altogether...

Although I think Intel should be able to provide more lanes by now, having limited lanes does little to nothing to performance. Just about every GPU can still operate at full frame rates on x8 3.0 lanes, except under niche benchmarks (typically synthetic). Also, what's wrong with M.2? x4 lanes in a form factor that small is pretty damn good IMO.

That is if you're talking about "consumer level" hardware that is. Come on...... and really with he inflation shtuff and speak of that far back then sure by all means let me back up that semi sized computer to your house from back when.

Actually no. Note how I specifically said a desktop PC. Meaning, the $20k PC I was referring to would comfortably sit on your desk. I'm not talking about things the size of bookshelves or rooms.

You kinda but don't see my point but then disagree entirely about my point and say nothing tangible in regards to said point.

Your point is straight-forward: you don't like how crazy expensive things are getting. But it seems you don't see my point - I'll spell it out clearly for you: * Prices aren't as high as you make them out to be. * Relative to consumer level products, hardware is exponentially better than it was 8 years ago. In other words, you're getting more for your money.

DeskStar:

And I've been gaming on this ancient hardware at 4K, so it really hasn't been ll that bad. Now i game on it in 6880X2880 DSR and its a dream. Couldn't be happier with my investment as I see it at this point its putting money back into my pockets. And i have this monster system waiting for something worthy to let it cool it.

You say that as though I said otherwise. Didn't you just prove my point there? You don't need to spend $2.5k on a CPU and get a great PC. Prices are higher because the products are proportionately more powerful. But that doesn't mean you need it.