Intel Core i9-12900K engineering sample: multithreading Ryzen 9 5950X 11% faster.

rl66

2021-10-20 22:44

JamesSneed:

That's the thing about leaks. They can be total BS, they can be true, or they could be using liquid helium for an overclock to achieve said results. I put zero faith in leaks.

Leak make Hype Hype make talk about product Talk about product make free advertising Free advertising make the one with wallet happier Advertising put interest in the product that may result to a sale. Sale make the one with wallet even more happier (and sign for a new swiming pool in inox with pink flamingo decoration around). Most of the time it's better to wait (for now there is hype but no fact), even more when next Ryzen is so close and it would be more fair to compare gen to gen.

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Dazz

2021-10-20 23:09

11% faster than 5950x? It's clearly Windows 11 so is that with or without the Ryzen remove GIMP patch? cause the L3 cache latency does impact things like cinebench and CPU-Z by around 10% sooo. Can't help but feel it was orchestrated because the L3 cache was crippled in the very first dev 11 build and has only just been fixed in dev 2000.258 build. Not like Intel hasn't done this before you know money changing hands to make their products look better even for a time it's all about mind share. Guess we will see if the patch to fix it is released to retail a day or so before or after the 12th gen reviews go online. If it's a day before reviews or after then well we know why. Microsoft was aware of it many months before release I and many people sent in reports about it.

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Airbud

2021-10-21 01:29

So a 32 thread processor is faster than a 24 thread processor in a multi-thread benchmark? Simply Amazing!

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MegaFalloutFan

2021-10-21 03:39

King Mustard:

Isn't that normal as it's year newer than the 5950X? Also, does it cost the same as the 5950X? More? Less? And what of power draw? That also makes a difference.

It will be cheaper then 5950x, also it will take less power, when you in windows doing normal stuff like web and work and media its going to use efficiency cores, not the performance cores.

MonsterMX99:

As I said previously these CPus are DOA, look at the prices here in Slovakia for amd platform

DOA? They going to sell better then good, Intel will be #1 again, USA is the biggest market. I have 5950x and I plan to upgrade if its really faster, i ant wait to return home back to Intel, AMD is not ready, their chipsets are horrible, everything is slow, sata speeds PCie speeds, USB and so on

Airbud:

So a 32 thread processor is faster than a 24 thread processor in a multi-thread benchmark? Simply Amazing!

Its even more amazing when you think that its really 8 core / 16Thread CPU plus 8 low power cores, its not really a 24 threads, the lower power cores are 2-3 times slower or something like that

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Astyanax

2021-10-21 03:58

MegaFalloutFan:

It will be cheaper then 5950x

how do you figure that?

#5957249

MegaFalloutFan

2021-10-21 04:01

Undying:

Outperforming its predecessor by 59% and still loosing to 5950x. I just realized how much Intel is behind amd atm lol. I hope they didnt use a chiller to achive those scores.

What? Losing to Amd? Its 8 cores that beat 16 in single and multi, The post below yours has screenshot of the leaker that says its just 8 performance cores, no efficiency cores and it still beat 16 ZEN3 cores. 8 ADL cores 11986 vs 16 ZEN3 cores 11906

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MegaFalloutFan

2021-10-21 04:03

Dazz:

11% faster than 5950x? It's clearly Windows 11 so is that with or without the Ryzen remove GIMP patch? cause the L3 cache latency does impact things like cinebench and CPU-Z by around 10% sooo. Can't help but feel it was orchestrated because the L3 cache was crippled in the very first dev 11 build and has only just been fixed in dev 2000.258 build. Not like Intel hasn't done this before you know money changing hands to make their products look better even for a time it's all about mind share. Guess we will see if the patch to fix it is released to retail a day or so before or after the 12th gen reviews go online. If it's a day before reviews or after then well we know why. Microsoft was aware of it many months before release I and many people sent in reports about it.

It uses the Database 5950x results, windows 11 has nothing to do with it

Astyanax:

how do you figure that?

Intel wants to win and gain market share, they will never price it above 5950x

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kapu

2021-10-21 08:36

MegaFalloutFan:

I have 5950x and I plan to upgrade if its really faster, i ant wait to return home back to Intel, AMD is not ready, their chipsets are horrible, everything is slow, sata speeds PCie speeds, USB and so on

Lots of BS there bro.

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Fediuld

2021-10-21 09:07

MegaFalloutFan:

What? Losing to Amd? Its 8 cores that beat 16 in single and multi, The post below yours has screenshot of the leaker that says its just 8 performance cores, no efficiency cores and it still beat 16 ZEN3 cores. 8 ADL cores 11986 vs 16 ZEN3 cores 11906

May remind you that similar benchmarks "leaks" with Rocket Lake 10 months ago? EXACTLY the same hype with CPUZ, CB and TimeSpy beating the 5000 series. Yet came out and they were dead in the water. All those leaks were with CPUs clocked to maximum, with exotic cooling. Few remained on the hype train for few months after release calling on every new microcode release that will give the 20% perf boost "missing". They gave up by summer time. And happened this year, just months ago. Already we have some game benchmarks with AMD GPU with the 12900K though we do not know it's clocks. At least we know is not Nvidia driver taxed. The perf is not what the CPUZ, CB and TimeSpy telling. This CPU even if manually overclocked will struggle against Ryzen 5000 with PBO2 activated. As for price. We already see 12900K been priced over €100 higher (15%) than the 5950X, over double the money than the average 5800X price and over 50% the price of the 5900X. It won't be cheap because the silicon is big.

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MonsterMX99

2021-10-21 10:56

kapu:

Lots of BS there bro.

Yeah he is funny like a hell 😀

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Airbud

2021-10-21 16:33

y'all want to play the multi-thread benchmark game? ThreadRipper 3990X and the Epyc 7763 make these things look like little kids toys! 😀

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Fediuld

2021-10-21 19:13

Airbud:

y'all want to play the multi-thread benchmark game? ThreadRipper 3990X and the Epyc 7763 make these things look like little kids toys! 😀

Actually X4 Foundation uses all 16 cores of a 5950X on Linux. On Windows somehow is restricted to 6-8. I bet is a game that would run happily on a 3990X too 😀 Saying that 12900K is an 8 core CPU when comes to games, there is a limit there. I smell something fishy with all those CPUZ multicore benchmarks. Lets not forget CPUZ culled Zen architecture benchmarks with a patch after the AMD 1000 series came out. The date was May 1st 2017 implementing benchmark (2017.01) with version v1.79. Their excuse was pathetic about "real world benchmarks" blah blah.

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Dazz

2021-10-21 20:14

Fediuld:

Actually X4 Foundation uses all 16 cores of a 5950X on Linux. On Windows somehow is restricted to 6-8. I bet is a game that would run happily on a 3990X too 😀 Saying that 12900K is an 8 core CPU when comes to games, there is a limit there. I smell something fishy with all those CPUZ multicore benchmarks. Lets not forget CPUZ culled Zen architecture benchmarks with a patch after the AMD 1000 series came out. The date was May 1st 2017 implementing benchmark (2017.01) with version v1.79. Their excuse was pathetic about "real world benchmarks" blah blah.

Thats direct X 12, it uses up to 6 cores and the other 2 cores for background tasks and sub-threads. Vulkan can use more cores, not sure if it has a limitation like DX12.

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MegaFalloutFan

2021-10-21 21:09

Fediuld:

May remind you that similar benchmarks "leaks" with Rocket Lake 10 months ago? EXACTLY the same hype with CPUZ, CB and TimeSpy beating the 5000 series. Yet came out and they were dead in the water. All those leaks were with CPUs clocked to maximum, with exotic cooling. Few remained on the hype train for few months after release calling on every new microcode release that will give the 20% perf boost "missing". They gave up by summer time. And happened this year, just months ago. Already we have some game benchmarks with AMD GPU with the 12900K though we do not know it's clocks. At least we know is not Nvidia driver taxed. The perf is not what the CPUZ, CB and TimeSpy telling. This CPU even if manually overclocked will struggle against Ryzen 5000 with PBO2 activated. As for price. We already see 12900K been priced over €100 higher (15%) than the 5950X, over double the money than the average 5800X price and over 50% the price of the 5900X. It won't be cheap because the silicon is big.

I dont remember any rumors or screenshots about Rocket lake, actually it was very boring before the release. And the price is 610$, MindFactory in Germany started shipping them wcctech has article, people already received units and paid 610USD in EUROPE

kapu:

Lots of BS there bro.

Wanna Bet?

Astyanax:

how do you figure that?

610USD already sold in Germany and people received units, MindFactory started shipping early Check wcctech about article and photos

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mackintosh

2021-10-21 21:37

$610 ex VAT sounds about right.

#5957546

Dazz

2021-10-21 22:53

MegaFalloutFan:

I have 5950x and I plan to upgrade if its really faster, i ant wait to return home back to Intel, AMD is not ready, their chipsets are horrible, everything is slow, sata speeds PCie speeds, USB and so on

What decade or century are you in? PCIe speeds are on par or better, SATA is on par, USB is on par or better for USB 3.1 anyway (unless you count 2x2/thunderbolt) because chipsets can't magically turn USB ports in 3.2 or thunderbolt. For many years Intel wouldn't even license out their thunderbolt and USB 3.2 was after X570 although newer X570's boards do support USB 3.2 and some also now support thunderbolt.

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sykozis

2021-10-22 00:42

Mugsy:

While consuming 330w o_O if the other leak is correct.

That 330W power draw is with the P-cores overclocked to 5.2Ghz and the "low power" cores at 3.7Ghz.....

Fediuld:

We should never forget 12900K is an 8 core CPU and will work as 8 core CPU in gaming.

It's an 8C/16T processor with 8 "low power" cores..... As for gaming, it will behave like an 8C/16T processor that has 8 "low power" cores doing background tasks, since that's exactly what it is.

Airbud:

So a 32 thread processor is faster than a 24 thread processor in a multi-thread benchmark? Simply Amazing!

A 16C/32T processor is faster than an 8C/16T+8 core processor.... For demanding tasks, the CPU will function as an 8C/16T processor, with background tasks being offloaded to the 8 "low power" cores. The 8 low power cores will ultimately provide minimal performance benefit.

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Fediuld

2021-10-22 03:29

Dazz:

Thats direct X 12, it uses up to 6 cores and the other 2 cores for background tasks and sub-threads. Vulkan can use more cores, not sure if it has a limitation like DX12.

Is Vulkan native on Windows too, is not a DX12 game.

#5957666

Fediuld

2021-10-22 11:01

MegaFalloutFan:

I dont remember any rumors or screenshots about Rocket lake, actually it was very boring before the release.

As said all these happened within last 10 months. And they do not refer to the same leak but 3 different ones to build hype. https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/core-i9-11900k-cpu-z-benchmark-result-leaks.html https://hothardware.com/news/intel-11th-gen-rocket-lake-s-benchmarks-ipc-performance https://wccftech.com/intel-rocket-lake-z590-platform-logo-record-breaking-cpuz-benchmark-of-core-i9-11900k-flagship-leaked/ Want more?

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Nerboruto

2021-10-22 13:13

both are 16 core CPUs. Performance is similar in multithreading while intel on singlethreads is better. however I would like to see a comparison on energy consumption because it might not be exciting.