When Zen3 arrives with 4 threads per core this fight will be one sided. Until then Intel can compete with zen2 and pump these 10gen chips which i think are still overpriced.

wavetrex:

Yea well, no. Comparing a non-HEDT dual-channel platform with what was a hugely expensive HEDT quad-channel platform with much higher TDP allowance... that's not right. Let's see how that 7980xe holds up to the new TR 3000, and then make an apples-to-apples comparison.

I wrote ; "It's for different use, so no reason to compare" Do you think latency on the new Threadripper will be lower than Ryzen 3k? Personally I don't think so, but I hope so 😉

Took them long enough, but hey, at least it's finally done.

Loophole35:

18core is $54.39 per core 14core is $56 per core 12core is $57.42 per core 10core is $59 per core Median price is $56.75 per core. His math checks out fine

Also worth pointing out he wrote "~55". The tilde is shorthand for "approximately".

This is literally the first time I’ve been on an Intel platform that actually offers an upgrade path since I was running i7 920 on the X58 platform, good to see.

anxious_f0x:

This is literally the first time I’ve been on an Intel platform that actually offers an upgrade path since I was running i7 920 on the X58 platform, good to see.

i was on x58 with 990x and i was not sure ryzen 2700x was a game changer. It wasn't. Is better because i got the m2 disk and moved from a gf980 to a 1080ti, but real differences stops there. The cpu isn't that much faster ( 8 years difference )

asturur:

i was on x58 with 990x and i was not sure ryzen 2700x was a game changer. It wasn't. Is better because i got the m2 disk and moved from a gf980 to a 1080ti, but real differences stops there. The cpu isn't that much faster ( 8 years difference )

You must not play in 1080p. Even if FPS is near the same on average, your lows are definitely going to be affected.

vbetts:

You must not play in 1080p. Even if FPS is near the same on average, your lows are definitely going to be affected.

I can confirm this. I went from an I7980 Oc'd to 3.8 to a 1600X on the same GTX 1070 and I saw an increase in minimum frames on Forza Horizon 3 which is actually the game that caused my to upgrade.

Kool64:

I can confirm this. I went from an I7980 Oc'd to 3.8 to a 1600X on the same GTX 1070 and I saw an increase in minimum frames on Forza Horizon 3 which is actually the game that caused my to upgrade.

Gen 1 (and 1+ for the most part) was still playing catch-up. It's the Zen2 core that really closed the gap between Intel's best and AMD's to almost nothing, and beat it in many cases (including gaming) Oh.. and all the reviews in which 9900K was still visibly faster than 3800X/3900X was done with older AGESA, not with the new 1.0.0.3DancingQueen that is just getting deployed now ! I think the gap has closed even more since then, and some games where 9900K was still winning are now tied or even losing on Intel side. Aslo, and I barely saw any reviewers that used the PBO scalar tweak on Ryzen 3000 reviews, but I can say from personal experience that pushing that from 1X to 3X or 4X made the games I play even smoother! The CPU sustains boost frequencies for longer, at the cost of power of course. But I have adequate cooling on it so it's till well below dangerous temps (actually, it's quite chilly now that winter is coming...) Unfortunately I can't directly test that much on my system, as I don't own that many games... and don't have a 9900K to compare anyway. On the stuff that I do have and play, the system got faster and smoother compared to 2 months ago. Kool64, pop a 3600X or 3700X in that computer of yours now that they are easily found and no longer overpriced and you'll most likely be amazed of how smooth your games play ! ---- This Intel HEDT lineup doesn't make much sense anymore when similar or better performance can be found on much cheaper mainstream platform. But anyway, we seem to have gotten quite off-topic so I'll stop here.

So how many X299 owners are planning on upgrading to Cascade Lake-X? I can imagine it would be pretty tempting for anyone with a 7900X, as the 10980XE a lot more cores for a similar price.

Off-topic a bit, please forgive me.

For the folks out there talking about things like 'I've upgraded for the first time in so many years, and Zen / Zen + didn't give me much of an upgrade' ... At above 1080p, you might be video-card limited, unless you're firmly against a frame rate cap. If you're not against the cap or otherwise, you'll see the minimums improve, maximums may still be at or relatively close, especially as one poster said they went from a 980 Ti to a 1080 Ti, which is a difference but not night and day. This has already been posted but I agree 100% on that. I upgraded in late July early August to Zen 2, with a Ryzen 3700x with the stock cooler, cheapie AsRock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 (recommended if on a budget!), "lowly" "on-sale" 3000mhz Cl-15 Micron Memory (apparently Micron's good, speed's not great though), a bargain-basement house-brand NVME, and new everything else that goes with it... kept the almost-three-year-old RX 480 8gb, it mostly works... Both my new and old machine have 32GB of RAM, the old 4790k machine had CL-11 2400mhz dual channel, 4x 8gb sticks of Corsair memory and processor was delidded @ 4.4ghz. Compared to a 4790k, this Ryzen smokes it with anywhere from DOUBLE the performance, to as much as 4x or more in the right applications... Some examples... Rimworld, where my characters were CRAWLING around the screen on the old PC, the little characters were running around like little vehicles they were running so fast. BeamNG Drive, a soft-body-vehicle-physics simulator in which I make maps for, can now comfortably run 16~21 vehicles in real-time VS 7~10 with a 4790k (20fps is minimum for full speed, btw, stick with the lower of two numbers for FPS to be close to 40fps or above). This is much better for testing AI routes / traffic and making sure they don't spawn stuck in the ground. Fallout 4 was noticeably less hitchy, not that my 4790k was bad at running that, or that it'll use more cores than a 4790k has, but this made my heavily modded game better. File ZIP / UNZIP operations were *WAY* better, a 6~12 minute operation has come down to 40~50 seconds. I don't know how that's possible. Heck, my old system had 2x Sata MLC drives SSD in Raid 0... regardless even if that hits random performance a bit it still doesn't hurt sequential 2~3GB Ultra-compression zip/unzip op's when working. The increased amount of cache on the chip means when switching applications, there's no hesitation most times. Amazing the difference that the cache makes! Other game performance? I don't know, I haven't really tried to run anything much else, as I don't do much else on this. There aren't a lot of 3D games I even play here, I am almost 40. All that said, I don't even have the Infinity Fabric running over 1500mhz, so keep that in mind, your performance might be even better, as Zen performance scales almost linearly with Infinity Fabric speed increase up to about 1800~1867mhz where it kicks out and can't go much higher. Hopefully they improve that (as they have) in future generations. I did not enable PBO, everything is stock except the one-click enabling of XMP on the memory, and using an itty-bitty bit of liquid metal for the thermal material. I hope this helps someone. If you've got a Haswell that doesn't OC particularly well past 4.4~4.5ghz like mine did, then have no regrets and get a new system. When I first built it in 2014, I gave the stock cooler a try, but I did get an Asus Maximus Hero VII in-case I wanted to OC and some 2400mhz Cl-11 RAM for it too . 100C in seconds of benchmarking with stock cooler. Bought 100$ Phanteks 140mm cooler in red and white for asthetics and better cooling than stock. Still hit 70~80C. Delidded with liquid metal. 60C. Pushed to 4.4ghz all-core-turbo with 'Asus multi-core enhancement' option around 1.217 V or so, as that is what that pig took, and it worked OK and didn't hit 80C anymore which was the instability point. I never did get that thing reliably over 4.4ghz - water cooling is not an option in a box filled with electric. TL,DR on that is: I was disgusted. Over-clockable board, fast RAM, 100$ into a cooler I could have bought a water-cooler with, and that pig of a chip just refused to run any faster without wanting to make FIRE. I haven't built a machine for overclocking, or an intel K-series processor, since. This new one is capable of overclocking, however, the chip will do it on it's own, so that's fine. Cheap AsRock board here is doing very well and also... NO LED's except the stock cooler, and no windowed case to blind my eyes at night. NO BOOSTING ISSUES on release day bios with x570 Phantom Gaming 4 board. Yes. Cheapie motherboard + release day BIOS = no boosting issues. Don't ask. We don't question things when they work as-advertised, do we? If you're on any type of budget - who isn't these days - grab a Ryzen with no worries, and you don't have to spend over 200$ on a motherboard to have a decent system. You never hear about the folks with a working system, only the problems, so I figured I'd write one in here. Sorry for derailing, but it is generally relevant of CPU's as a whole.

On-Topic: It's nice to see intel cut the price in-half; even if these are more of the absolute same thing we've been snacking on for the last several years. Maybe they'll have some mitigations in place. I am definitely going to take note of the tech news when Threadripper launches the end of November, as it should be pretty interesting to see if it just keeps up, or if these intel chips get torn up by it. Competition benefits everyone. *Not an AMD or intel fan-boy here, I'm a 'good deal' fanboy and 'finally there's CPU progress' fanboy.

wavetrex:

Kool64, pop a 3600X or 3700X in that computer of yours now that they are easily found and no longer overpriced and you'll most likely be amazed of how smooth your games play !

Oh yeah I can confirm that too since I upgraded the 1600X to a 3700X 😀

bobblunderton ^^^^^ Read your book, nice story ..... *Not an AMD or intel fan-boy here, I'm a 'good deal' fanboy and 'finally there's CPU progress' fanboy 😉 The ending was so nice, ' I'm a 'good deal' fanboy .' 😀

vbetts:

You must not play in 1080p. Even if FPS is near the same on average, your lows are definitely going to be affected.

I was not trying to say that intel upgrades are better. I just did not find what i expect from an 8 year technology upgrade. Maybe i lost enthusiasm during the time i was waiting something worth to buy. I play in 1080p on the old machine and 1440p in this new. But does not matter, since i m locked at 60fps, i can handle it and i play just wow. But where wow crawling i'm still sort of crawling. I was just saying that from 1st gen i7 ( ok top of it 6 cores 3.7ghz), to second gen ryzen 8 core 3.7base, 4.3 boost, and all the new stuff ( faster ram and way faster disks ) i was expecting a night/day difference. That i did not see. Maybe is also the fact that i moved from a snappy windows 7 to a less snappy windows 10? anyway offtopic.

asturur:

But does not matter, since i m locked at 60fps, i can handle it and i play just wow.

That's your whole issue right there, you expected an improvement when you were likely already getting 60fps if not close, so what's the point in an upgrade, and what's the point saying it's not an upgrade, if you're at your self-limited, limit? If you game at 60fps with a GT 1030, and upgrade to a 2080 ti, and still limit yourself to 60fps, you'd then state the same thing you're stating now.

asturur:

Maybe is also the fact that i moved from a snappy windows 7 to a less snappy windows 10?

Windows 10 is just as, if not more, depending on the situation, as "snappy" as windows 7. So i'm not sure anyone should trust your "observations", which i know, sounds hostile, it's not. It's the fact that you've stated multiple things in this thread so far that are simply, wrong, factually.

This might be going to be my new rig lets see them results soon 🙂

No point in changing 2700 to anything else, not even to these Intel HEDT chips which are the topic of this thread. That 2700 is fast enough for pretty much anything non-professional you can throw at it. In general it is not worth upgrading* one generation to the next, unless you get a really REALLY good deal and basically don't pay anything for the new one. From 2 generations and up... it depends... how much is gained, and how much it costs. * (With one exception - Bulldozer line to Ryzen, that was a massive jump !)

I wonder how many radiators you're going to need to overclock the 18 core part to any significant degree.

user1:

I wonder how many radiators you're going to need to overclock the 18 core part to any significant degree.

I have 7980xe delidded, and it's not that hard to cool. The die has a big surface. One 360 is often enough when overclocked. 1.15v is enough for 4.6ghz all core. I'm using 480 radiator, cuz it fits perfect in my LD cooling v8 case

hehe dat wall of text... have a like for effort 😀 Still @bobblunderton I fare to say, beyond 1080p, not everybody needs to upgrade from Haswell. Maybe if you're running Haswell 4C, but 6C are still doing okay / fine-ish at 4.5GHz. That is, in gaming, no idea about workloads (there it always gets better with upgrades like Zen2).

nizzen:

I have 7980xe delidded, and it's not that hard to cool. The die has a big surface. One 360 is often enough when overclocked. 1.15v is enough for 4.6ghz all core. I'm using 480 radiator, cuz it fits perfect in my LD cooling v8 case

Pretty sure that these will be soldered, which unfortunately means delidding isn't a great option. hopefully they improved the solder job, or it will end up like the 9980xe