H83:

I think that`s the main problem, the stock settings of some Mbs are simply insane! My Asus Strix B650E-F gaming has a stock voltage of around 1.4v! This would cause the CPU to overheat and not reach the maximum boost speed!!!... Now i`m also undervolting, currently trying 1.15V, and the CPU reachs the advertised 5.4Ghz speed and runs 25 degrees cooler!... AMD and Intel need to stop MB makers from applying crazy voltages to win some useless benchmarks...

1.4v is normal for ryzen cpus it was the soc voltage that was way over the limit.

Well, this problem started again for me after i updated gpu drivers. (guess it wasnt my riser cable after all) There are afew fixes incase anyone is having the problem. 1. bring your P cores to 54x 2. In Bios Set your Long Duration Power Limit to 275, Short Duration Power Limit 285, CPU Current limit to 350. 3. Disable MCE (multi core enhancement) also Set SVID to intel fail safe I find (3) to be my choice as the core clocks stay at 57x during game play and never drop. If you do (2) then your cpu will downclock from 57x to 56x while gaming and when it needs to grab/compile shaders it will drop to 54x. This problem is connected to whatever instruction set it uses to get the shaders and causes instability even if your pc is 100% stable in stress tests. Hopefully they can fix this in a future windows update and possibly bios updates. Also a side note, I think this is mostly happening to CPU's that have a lower SP level, though iv read even 13900KS users have experienced this, from reading on reddit and steam forums. There is a good article on Tom's Hardware, if you want to read more about it. Not sure if im allowed to link articles or not but just google. "Toms Hardware Is your Intel Core i9-13900K crashing in games? Your motherboard BIOS settings may be to blame — other high-end Intel CPUs also affected"

So is just about default values being overclocked ones to look better in reviews? Run everything at correct default and you should have no issues?

asturur:

So is just about default values being overclocked ones to look better in reviews? Run everything at correct default and you should have no issues?

Actually no, there are very few people who have this happening at what should be normal clocks and voltage.

Well looks like me setting the PL of my 13700K to 150W since day 1 was brilliant idea 🙂

H83:

I think that`s the main problem, the stock settings of some Mbs are simply insane! My Asus Strix B650E-F gaming has a stock voltage of around 1.4v! This would cause the CPU to overheat and not reach the maximum boost speed!!!... Now i`m also undervolting, currently trying 1.15V, and the CPU reachs the advertised 5.4Ghz speed and runs 25 degrees cooler!... AMD and Intel need to stop MB makers from applying crazy voltages to win some useless benchmarks...

Very similar story for me the 5800x was running with 1.375 ... Now I run it 1.18v (1.22 v in reality even if it says 1.18 ) got +50mhz all core boost and over 20c lower temps.

H83:

I think that`s the main problem, the stock settings of some Mbs are simply insane!.

I remember someone (GN probably) did a story on this. MB manufacturers started doing this last 5 years or so because it's the only way they can compete with others MBs. Not sure how Intel allows them to use heavily OC as a default. You have to go to BIOS yourself and specifically select "Disable ASUS enhancement - enforce all limits".

I'd bet it's all of the people who think their 8000+ memory OC is stable when it actually isn't.

Krizby:

Well looks like me setting the PL of my 13700K to 150W since day 1 was brilliant idea 🙂

I have never seen a 13700k use 150W in games, so this 150W power limit setting you have done should make no difference in stability in games, because the CPU does not hit that power draw to begin with. The only way it might make a difference is if the PC works in the background during gaming.

TLD LARS:

I have never seen a 13700k use 150W in games, so this 150W power limit setting you have done should make no difference in stability in games, because the CPU does not hit that power draw to begin with. The only way it might make a difference is if the PC works in the background during gaming.

The instability happen during shader caching when these 13700K/13900K could use a lot of power and causing instabilities..

Krizby:

The instability happen during shader caching when these 13700K/13900K could use a lot of power and causing instabilities..

Oh, then it is fairly easy to test by provoking a new shader caching event via drivers. Game Devs should be able to pinpoint the fault easily with debug tools, instead of coming with this vague statement "we have seen a problem". I thought low to medium load with high boost speeds was the problem.

ttnuagmada:

I'd bet it's all of the people who think their 8000+ memory OC is stable when it actually isn't.

i bet you didn't read anything on page 1.

They flew too close to the sun. 🙄

so limit PL1 and PL2 or disable PL2 all together and should not no issues? and MCE disable would be good idea too? Seem like there crazy PL coming back to haunt intel