I'd expect them to be much more expensive. At this price point they look like a steal for pro users, at the same time being precise and easy to use. Besides, while I can understand and appreciate it, a web server in a monitor sounds crazy 🙂

Well if any of you are artists looking for colour accurate panels stay away from the Dell 2713H series. Sure it costs less, $1000 in the US, but it's not worth the problems. They're 10 bit but it seems the yellow phosphor used on it along with GB-LED backlighting (to achieve that more "neutral white" and what I assume to be their trick behind making it "10 bit") causes major problems. The colours are completely inconsistent and even if you get a consistent one this monitor can actually get permanent burn in. I actually have one sitting here in the box to exchange. They develop problems over time, such as the colours becoming less uniform over time.

Well if any of you are artists looking for colour accurate panels stay away from the Dell 2713H series. Sure it costs less, $1000 in the US, but it's not worth the problems. They're 10 bit but it seems the yellow phosphor used on it along with GB-LED backlighting (to achieve that more "neutral white" and what I assume to be their trick behind making it "10 bit") causes major problems. The colours are completely inconsistent and even if you get a consistent one this monitor can actually get permanent burn in. I actually have one sitting here in the box to exchange. They develop problems over time, such as the colours becoming less uniform over time.

Cannot possibly be related, those two. The backlight affects the spectral distribution. It's 8-bit + FRC anyways, so it receives a 10-bit signal yet still outputs 8-bit to the monitor and uses dithering to *produce* the extra colors. Like 99% of 10-bit monitors do. The whitepoint is independent of the color palette size. It is achieved by maxing out R, G, and B, you know that. Never going to just give up and grab a Korean monitor, eh?

Cannot possibly be related, those two.

Well TFTCentral says the more neutral white is the effect from using the yellow phosphor plus that backlighting. And it seems to be related to their dithering tricks. I don't care either way. I can't even use 10 bit colour anyway. It's still clearly a lot better than most IPS screens I've seen, possibly because they're all 6 bit + FRC.

Never going to just give up and grab a Korean monitor, eh?

Never.

Some of the Korean manufacturers now have displays using the same AH-IPS panel @ $350.

Well TFTCentral says the more neutral white is the effect from using the yellow phosphor plus that backlighting. And it seems to be related to their dithering tricks. I don't care either way. I can't even use 10 bit colour anyway. It's still clearly a lot better than most IPS screens I've seen, possibly because they're all 6 bit + FRC.

I have never heard of, or used, 6-bit + FRC IPS monitors. I can tell dithering is used with relative ease. It's not used on any IPS monitor I have seen.

Never.

Sure. @alanm: Cheapo crappo monitoro with a buncho deado pixelso. 🤓

I have never heard of, or used, 6-bit + FRC IPS monitors. I can tell dithering is used with relative ease. It's not used on any IPS monitor I have seen. Sure. @alanm: Cheapo crappo monitoro with a buncho deado pixelso. 🤓

It's more common than you think. In the recent past anything called an 8 bit IPS that didn't cost a fortune was actually a 6 bit + FRC e-IPS. My last monitor was a U2312 and that was also a 6 bit + FRC e-IPS. The dithering is not so easy to detect as you may think. Despite the hyper-grain coating which drove me insane, it was clearly better quality than any TN or VA panel. From what I read a lot of TN panels were 4 bit + FRC + whatever other tricks they could come up with to mask their poor colour reproduction. Speaking of poor quality panels, I'm using my laptop at a coffee shop right now and the screen drives me nuts. I can't get a clear view from any angle, this is a $1000 Toshiba with discrete graphics, you'd think they would use something better than a $20 TN for a screen, jeeze. (No I did not choose the laptop, it was a gift.)

It's more common than you think. In the recent past anything called an 8 bit IPS that didn't cost a fortune was actually a 6 bit + FRC e-IPS. My last monitor was a U2312 and that was also a 6 bit + FRC e-IPS. The dithering is not so easy to detect as you may think. Despite the hyper-grain coating which drove me insane, it was clearly better quality than any TN or VA panel.

Mmm yeah true forgot about e-IPS. I took a look at a couple of e-IPS screens and yes, while I didn't really look for dithering I didn't notice it on my own either. However, for S-IPS, AH-IPS, PLS, etc... they're all 8-bit. I think the "e" stands for economy, so it's understandable. NEC started this with their EA231WMi back then a few years ago.

Speaking of poor quality panels, I'm using my laptop at a coffee shop right now and the screen drives me nuts. I can't get a clear view from any angle, this is a $1000 Toshiba with discrete graphics, you'd think they would use something better than a $20 TN for a screen, jeeze. (No I did not choose the laptop, it was a gift.)

That's why I picked the Lenovo Ideapad Yoga 2 Pro. It has a 3200x1800 Samsung RG-BG PPS display. Beautiful color reproduction, although it comes with a green error out of the box (corrected with colorimeter). It's glossy (reflective) therefore it's very clear and crisp, but its contrast ratio turned out somewhat low at 400:1.

Well if any of you are artists looking for colour accurate panels stay away from the Dell 2713H series. Sure it costs less, $1000 in the US, but it's not worth the problems. They're 10 bit but it seems the yellow phosphor used on it along with GB-LED backlighting (to achieve that more "neutral white" and what I assume to be their trick behind making it "10 bit") causes major problems. The colours are completely inconsistent and even if you get a consistent one this monitor can actually get permanent burn in. I actually have one sitting here in the box to exchange. They develop problems over time, such as the colours becoming less uniform over time.

Thanks for the warning. Actually I own and use 2713H and it works great for me. However I only use 8-bit color. I hope it won't get corrupted anytime soon, but I'm aware that me hoping it won't make it work great in a long run if I'm unlucky. My other computer has HP LP2475W, and while it was good in general, it had noticeable lag, and over time, the panel light distribution got distorted. Perhaps if I find someone to fix my good old EIZO T965, I might use it for gaming again. If I was going to do something more serious, I'd rather go for these HP's, or if I had greater budget, I might buy some premium brand.