Heatspreader Zen4 Processor - CPU gets Delidded (photo)
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Ghosty
Cool.
GSDragoon
Those CPU cores look really close to the edge. Wonder if it will make for cooling challenges, assuming that's where the heat will be the highest instead of closer to the middle.
kanenas
I have a suspicion that there is room for a third ...
schmidtbag
I wonder if the iGPU is integrated with the IO chip. From what I recall, the IO chip is on a smaller node, but since the default iGPU is very cut-down, it would make the chip a bit bigger, but not too much bigger.
NewTRUMP Order
Will have to make sure the thermal paste spreads out to the edge/s when using a cooler. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DishonestBetterIcterinewarbler-max-1mb.gif
JamesSneed
Robert Hallock answered that the other day and the answer is yes. The IO die is made on TSMC's 6nm. The other interesting bit is that they have one IO chip for client and server so the iGPU will be in all there products with Zen4.
Truder
I wonder what this means for AMDs contracts with GloFo? I'm guessing GloFo are only producing the chipsets for the X670 boards now?
Valken
So no 3DVC version yet...
JamesSneed
I haven't seen anything on it. Maybe they are making the chipsets with GloFlo to keep the demand high enough? Either that or AMD will amend the wafer agreement.
TieSKey
Isn't it like... super thick?
BlindBison
I'm very curious how much a leap Zen4 will be over Zen3 for gaming. The 5800X3D is already a pretty substantial improvement for games due to the extra cache and Zen4 might have that advancement as well as the architectural update and the node shrink so I wouldn't be surprised if this was a very significant launch.
I was hopin to wait to upgrade til zen 4 and the 4000 series Nvidia GPUs, but alas when your PCs goes kaputt you just gotta deal with the cards your dealt. There's just no way I could go without a PC for like 5 months (and who knows prices might go berserk at launch).
Typhon Six Six Six
reminds me of when I de-lidded my 9900k. That shiny gold plating is cool. I still have my lid I should scrap the gold LOL jk. I want a 7000 series Ryzen bad now so I can OC it!!!! YUMMY YUMMY AMD goodness coming.
Silva
Turn them 90º and there is. Wonder if AMD will ever thing about doing such a monster: 24C/48T
waltc3
It is...the "Huge IO die" contains the GPU and is 6nm, IIRC.
tunejunky
yet.
that is reserved for the e-peen championships next year after they finish fabbing Genoa 3D.
there is only one fabrication site so making those really expensive (yet added value) cpus to the server market is what they're doing now. pure business as those are far more expensive per wafer for the same cost of manufacture. the factory is largely automated so it's in continuous production.
no, the ryzen 4 3D is in the wings for the massively swollen e-peen wars w/Intel next year.
but i want one now 😎
TheDeeGee
Looks like 3 - 3,5 MM.
tunejunky
no worries about Glo Flo. the supply chain crisis has upwardly changed the image of mainstream fabs.
that and the fact that cars are "smarter" today. the auto electronics (oem) business is booming for every fab site not just here, but worldwide.
we are more concerned about the "bleeding edge" for performance based compute. there is a huge market for "old" or "legacy" production nodes. 22 & 14 are still banging on with the newer source of demand (that isn't all that demanding). same for custom silicon for industrial applications.
tunejunky
back on topic...
so with the Intel changing the pin layout we haven't seen their de-lidded proc yet, but i would think that since it's a monolithic design that the heat sources would take up more real estate across the socket.
i am surprised (that this never occurred to me before) about the qualities of the AMD TIM.
i'm even more surprised they haven't slapped some trademarked marketing name to it.
i would be down for "Wonder Goo", but i'm doubtful anyone else is. just think... if you're using the same cpu block you've been cooling progressively smaller spots across generations... i don't think we're at the point of a practical need of changing coldplates/waterblocks - but we are getting close.
thank heavens that most AM 4 procs are (relatively) low power which mitigates the (potential) issue.
just say "No" to Ryzen 9 (AM 4) with a sff air cooler in a sff case, aio is your friend
user1
its possible , the x670 chipset(s) seem pretty small though,[SPOILER]https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/05/AMD-X670-MSI-1-1800x1013.jpg
[/SPOILER] but there are 2 of them.
It also appears amd is intending to keep am4 around for another year or 2 probably for supply reasons, which should carry a decent chunk of their way to their next contract renewal, especially since zen4 based epyc don't appear to launching anytime soon.
spine
There's plenty of room for 4 cores if they really wanted to...
