Kaarme:

I don't feel envious of anyone trying to write a PC building guide right now, with the video card and RAM prices so unrealistic. Otherwise it should have been nice with the CPU side finally having choices again, not only Intel like it was for years.

schmidtbag:

Well for budget builds and enthusiast builds, prices are reasonable. It's everything in between that's terrible. Unfortunately, the in-between is what most people want. At least RAM prices seem to be slowly on a decline.

Fox2232:

Not sure if 1st gen. Ryzens will be still sold in 2~3 month's time. And I think Mainstream should be something like Ryzen [12]600(x) as in that price range, people expect PC to keep performing for some time. And lastly, 3GB VRAM is not gonna last much longer.

H83:

Well, Hilbert can only talk about what´s available right know because there´s always something better being released in the future... And the advantage of buying 1st gen Ryzen is that the prices are really good right now and the next Ryzen only offers a small speed bump, so the recommendation is perfectly reasonable, at least for me.

Kaarme:

I don't feel envious of anyone trying to write a PC building guide right now, with the video card and RAM prices so unrealistic. Otherwise it should have been nice with the CPU side finally having choices again, not only Intel like it was for years.

Kaarme:

A real enthusiast build ought to need at least 32GB of RAM

Venix:

are you envious of people that shut down their pc normally and their motherboard and vga where dead ..... out of the blue ? ((i mean i hit the jackpot there ! XD ))

Venix:

you have me on a disagreement on that one a gamer enthusiast have no reason what so ever to aim for 32 gb 16 gb are more than enough hell on my now dead z77 system i had 50 browser tabs ++ ((2nd monitor really gives you bad habits XD )) + a game on the main screen and i had only 8-9 gb on use ... except if specifically you do some task that needs a lot of ram 16 gb will be enough . Also hmm i believe i am a true enthusiast i love pc hardware tweaking fiddling with it learning about it speculating ...although even if i want tomorrow to go around and spend 10k euro on a system my pocket is highly against that 😛 and my motherboard +vga had to die at the best of times(Last week ) ! thanks for the recommendation Hilbert an msi pc mate is going to be on my system in 2 days !

Kaarme:

I said in some other thread that if I lost my video card right now, I'd rather stop playing games entirely than pay a shop the highwayman prices they are asking for video cards. Enthusiast hardware or builds should be a different thing that merely saying someone is an enthusiast. A computer enthusiast could be crazy about 80's hardware, and thus definitely would never see 32GB of memory. But it should be a different thing when classifying hardware. 16GB is already recommended by some new games. So, it should be the mainstream, clearly. How can you then say it's also the enthusiast? Besides, an enthusiast might also do other things than just game, and 32GB might easily be practically helpful. Z77 is half a dozen years old. It's quite irrelevant to refer to that in 2018.

Venix:

well and z77 is what i had with 16gb of ram as personal experience till last week with that amount of ram was not really talking about performance (z77 or z370 aplications will consume the same ram as far as they are on the latest version no ? ).

Kaarme:

Years ago 16GB still sounded like more than enough, now it merely sounds like enough. If we are talking about a real enthusiastic build, it shouldn't have anything merely enough. Where'd the enthusiasm be there?

Solfaur:

Nice guide! Too bad we're still in the middle of the worst time to build a new PC, due to inflated prices on several components but of course especially GPUs. 😳