Google: Antivirus Scanners are Pretty Much Useless

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Don't care much for AV's myself but what he's saying looks like it's not meant for the home user. I guess it is very out of context. Security should be multi layered and not reliant on just the AV anyway. I tried bitdefender free recently and it started freezing the login screen for around 10 seconds and avast was overly complicated and nagging the last time I used it. Quite content with defender and passive scans of mbam.
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Apparantly Apple Quicktime player is now deprecated and we are being told unsecure and should be uninstalled immediately. And Adobe Flash seems to be the same. But anyway, to me, the biggest problem is not some small mickey-mouse hackers or trojans but the big corporations and governments actively spying and collecting information in realtime on users through OS based spyware and computers and phones. In last week I have heard that Windows 10 picture viewer actively sends encrypted packets back to secret Microsoft registered IPs most likely doing a "Photo DNA" check on every picture their lovely Windows 10 users view on their own PC. And Apple in more or less realtime uploads call information to iCloud, unknown to users, most likely for some law enforcement reasons which can be used to realtime monitor any suspect a governent agency wants. Forget about "bogey-men" hackers - the imaginary threats invented to distract people from the very real threats from government agencies and their corporate stooges.
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That's rich given some of the Kernel bugs in Android...
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Hear hear. Recent antiviruses are about having Fancy UI, and keep telling you how good they are, and how you are vulnerable without it. Worse than annoying sellsman.
Exactly. It's the known advertising money making tactic a lot of products and businesses use - fear. People can be motivated to buy any product through primitive instinct of fear. Think about insurance, security systems, vitamins/drugs, even boiler servicing or car maintenance - many examples of things people do or buy because advertising told them terrible things will happen if you don't buy this product or use this service from a certain company. It is such a simple sales tactic and yet people all over the world fall for it every day.
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Errm no AV ok,but no Firewall,no Antirootkit?Nothing? Wierd,let our doors open for gov&hackers then.
But you have already let your doors open for government just by using their state sponsored "free" operating systems...
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It's true, You're right!! it's an illuminat-reptilian-comunist conspiracy!!
Moronic response. I gave statements based on facts and others testing and research and evidence that exists. You respond with this usual bull**** from bluepills like yourself.
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A white list isn't going to stop malware. It's stupid to even make that claim.... Of course, it's stupid to believe antivirus keeps your computer completely safe either. Quite honestly, given the security holes found in Android and the fact that Google profits from collecting and selling every single bit of data they can about every person that uses their products, a Google "security engineer" is the last person I'd trust for security advise. That's like trusting a Microsoft rep to pick the OS that's best for you......
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In Windows, I'll continue to use one because I know from experience that they can and do provide a good level of protection. The only OS I know of right now that doesn't need the protection is actually Windows 10 Mobile.
Except... they're frequently proven to NOT have a good level of protection. I personally would rather have 100 viruses than any of the AV programs available. There are 3 things you want to avoid most about getting malware: 1. Annoying popups 2. Giving away personal information and/or paying for a scam 3. Bogging down your system And guess what, every single AV program that even slightly does what it claims it will does all 3 of those things. I've literally been paid on multiple occasions to remove AV programs because they were nothing more than dead weight - I was called over because malware already slipped right past these programs. Random rant: People always say "Mac and Linux are so secure because they're incompatible with Windows viruses and they're in the minority" but that couldn't be more false. Forward port 22, have a short (or no) password on a Linux-based system, and within a week of doing absolutely nothing, you will get a virus. Your /var/log/auth.log will be multiple megabytes in size. The point of me saying this is popularity has nothing to do with security. Don't get me wrong, these OSes are inherently more secure, but that's because assuming you have a decent firewall and secure root password, you just simply can't screw with them enough to cause long-term damage. Unlike Windows, they're not a sandbox with the gate wide open. EDIT: The greatest issue with Windows is the UAC is effectively useless (many people instinctively ignore it) and even on a very locked-down system, users still get way too many privileges at the system level. Malware takes advantage of this.
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Errr, what?!.. It's like saying condoms don't reduce the chance of getting STD... Of course there are numerous viruses and threats, and no preventive system can fight all of them, but it is utterly idiotic to claim that "no protection" is the best choice! I guess, servers under the supervision of this "genius" don't have Antivirus systems... so may be it's time to close all Google accounts and move elsewhere. Alternatively I believe Google has to find a new Security engineer ASAP.
Agreed. Ignore the keyboard cowboys.
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inb4 google release their own antivirus software..... :P
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...I personally would rather have 100 viruses than any of the AV programs available....
What?! :funny: Dude, you just made my day... Personally, I don't remember last time I've stumbled on virus while surfing the web (OK, I remember, read further), I'm visiting some 10, 15 sites that are quite safe, download programs only from manufacturers sites and KAV (home) and KIS (work) doesn't have much to do while I'm using the computers, but... But few months ago on one of my rigs at work I've downloaded latest Classic Shell 4.3.0 from official site http://www.classicshell.net/ for one of our clients to install it on his Win8.1 and right after download (before even starting the install process) KIS heuristic protection on my rig screamed that something suspicious is going on with this file, WTF!? Clients rig with Win8.1 + Windows Defender, same official site and same file downloaded few minutes later: Windows Defender didn't found nothing. Earlier that day, some few hours before, I've already downloaded CS4.3.0 from the same site and KIS didn't found nothing. Just to be on the safe side I've decided to digg that previously downloaded CS4.3.0 installation file from one of my USB drives, copied it to my rig with KIS: nothing, KIS said file is safe. Used that earlier downloaded installation on clients rig and everything went fine. Few days later, bang!!! Aug 2nd, 2016 - The Classic Shell download service was hacked KIS saved my ass that day thats for sure... The real reason why I'm using KAV at home and KIS at work is because from my personall experience most of users here don't give a f**k what's going on with their PCs, where they or their kids surf on the web, what they download, where they plug in their USB flash-drives, USB hard-drives... PCs at schools here are INSANELY INFECTED with all kinds of nasty viruses, my kids already know that because EVERY SINGLE TIME when they bring some of their USB flash-drive to finish school projects at at home all of those drives are infected with only God knows what. KAV on kids computers is doing it's job just perfect to keep those rigs safe, unlike PCs of most of their friends who need to complete reinstall their rigs every once in a while because all kinds of nasty stuff rendered those rigs to the point of unusability every few months. Also I don't thrust ANYONE who brings his USB flash-drive or USB hard-drive to me to copy/print some stuff: "...it's viruss-free, don't worry mate!..." My ass virus-free!!! 7-8 of of 10 times those drives are infected with all kinds of viruses, autorun malware... So for those who said you don't need AV software, common sense is the best protection and what not: good luck with that, either you keep your PCs under the glass bell or you don't have friends/people around you who every now and then bring their portable storage to plug in those into some of your PCs for all kinds of reasons.
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What?! :funny: Dude, you just made my day...
The average virus is less annoying to me, takes less money from me, and slows my computer down less than a program such as Norton. In my experience, it takes a little more than 50 viruses on a crappy dual-core system to start doing more "damage" than AV programs.
Personally, I don't remember last time I've stumbled on virus while surfing the web (OK, I remember, read further), I'm visiting some 10, 15 sites that are quite safe, download programs only from manufacturers sites and KAV (home) and KIS (work) doesn't have much to do while I'm using the computers, but...
Likewise. I don't use almost anything for protection, though, I primarily do most of my web-browsing in Linux. In the event I or someone else does encounter a virus, I've found the Kaspersky live CD is a great tool for removing the threat. KAV in Windows, though modestly effective, is way too heavy for the average PC, and a bit expensive.
Few days later, bang!!! Aug 2nd, 2016 - The Classic Shell download service was hacked KIS saved my ass that day thats for sure...
Yes, except it was already too late. That other PC already experienced a problem that KIS explicitly did not find on time. Having a bulletproof vest isn't going to save you from being shot if you put it on after the gun has already been fired.
PCs at schools here are INSANELY INFECTED with all kinds of nasty viruses, my kids already know that because EVERY SINGLE TIME when they bring some of their USB flash-drive to finish school projects at at home all of those drives are infected with only God knows what. KAV on kids computers is doing it's job just perfect to keep those rigs safe
I'm sure those school PCs have some form of AV on them, which further proves my point that it doesn't do it's job. Back when I was in highschool, each computer would get a clean slate from a disk image overnight every other day, because it was easier to just purge the system than to deal with malware. Anyway, I don't understand how you can logically say KAV is doing it's job perfect when you just admitted a moment ago that KAV/KIS failed to identify a virus on time. Just because it didn't find something, that doesn't mean it's doing a good job.
Also I don't thrust ANYONE who brings his USB flash-drive or USB hard-drive to me to copy/print some stuff: "...it's viruss-free, don't worry mate!..." My ass virus-free!!! 7-8 of of 10 times those drives are infected with all kinds of viruses, autorun malware...
That there is very good practice. Though when push comes to shove and you need to use one of these drives, I would recommend you try getting a Linux live CD to read or grab whatever you need from the drive. Being Linux greatly decreases the chances of a binary spreading. Being a live OS means even if the malware triggers, it's all in memory and you can easily abort without any real damage. Being on a CD makes it impossible for the malware to write to anything.
So for those who said you don't need AV software, common sense is the best protection and what not: good luck with that, either you keep your PCs under the glass bell or you don't have friends/people around you who every now and then bring their portable storage to plug in those into some of your PCs for all kinds of reasons.
When you interpret things the way you are, it's no wonder why you thought what I said was stupid. There are multiple forms of protection: full-time, predictive, manual, and reactive. Whether it's the AWD system in your car, a medication for a disease, an automatic volume control for your sound system, or protecting your PC, reactive systems are inherently less effective. There will always be a moment of weakness. When that weakness is exploited, very often the damage is done. AV programs are reactive. A full-time system is either inefficient or crippling, but guarantees good results. So in terms of malware, that would be something like the entire system but the user folder being locked down (much like unix-like systems). A predictive system (such as a firewall) will protect you before something suspicious gets the chance to activate. Much like a literal firewall, the fire/threat may still exist, but it can't get through. Manual is where you just go ahead and let the problem happen and take care of it yourself. Generally a stupid idea.
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@SirDremor then why are ppl walking into stores like microcenter/bestbuy/staples etc, to get infections removed? from around 800 computers that i fixed in a 7 month time frame (when actively working as tech), more than 80% were infected. If AVs would work (out of the box) that would not be the case. But the best joke was their scanning software (Norton), which missed around 50-80% of spy/malware running on the tested system, when malwarebytes/superantispyware had no trouble finding/removing it. So for most users it would NOT be an improvement using an AV, if the machine still gets infected.. And no, comparing software to condoms is a joke. i can secure wipe my system drive and clean install any OS 1 min later. How does that work with STD or pregnancy? right...
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As long as back doors are built into the os, nothing will ever be 100% secure, never mind the vulnerabilities that are found. We live in a paranoid world where the higher-ups want access to everything we do that they can get their hands on. The more security we want, the less freedom we have. There is no compromise here. This is justified when they find terrorists amongst the populace and tell us they've been following them for X amount of time and caught X number of terrorists plotting X number of terrorist activities. I don't think it's possible to go "off the grid" if you continue to use the internet in any way.
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Cool story, but i will continue to use NOD32.
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So correct me if I am wrong, if someone came here saying they had symptoms of a malware or virus the general advice here would be to do nothing? Correct me if I am wrong but the general solution for folk asking for this advice will be do a scan with THIS program or do a scan with THAT program and more often than not a lot of these programs come with their own real time protection systems. So what are the folk that say these programs are useless really saying, do nothing if you suspect malware or virus? Reinstall and start over?
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Google (or alphabet) represent all that is bad and evil in science and internet... i agree on one point: viruses are less used since plishing ransomware and net attack are more lucrative :bang: a good knowledge is the best AV you can have. for the rest you have avast, kaspersky, nod etc (yes QT, java, flash and adobe craps are obsolete and massive hole in system security too)
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Most of the conversation in the thread is completely off. He was talking about servers, or systems that run infrastructure, not desktop users. "Those things, are according to Bilby, virus scanners and intrusion detection systems. Instead he wants “security types” to focus on whitelisting, hardware security keys and dynamic access rights" In systems like that, or anything with a specific purpose, whitelisting and correct access rights are orders of magnitude safer than leaving things open and hope for the best that the AV can do. In modern computers with users that don't pirate, a router-based adblock/malware domain block would be much more effective than any antivirus. And for people who love to live dangerously, a list like that on the router/computer level, along with a preemptive scan of everything with Malwarebytes and a check on the startup tab of Task Manager and in the Task Scheduler, should cover 99.999% of malware. If it doesn't, then a government is after you and good luck with that 😀
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So correct me if I am wrong, if someone came here saying they had symptoms of a malware or virus the general advice here would be to do nothing? Correct me if I am wrong but the general solution for folk asking for this advice will be do a scan with THIS program or do a scan with THAT program and more often than not a lot of these programs come with their own real time protection systems. So what are the folk that say these programs are useless really saying, do nothing if you suspect malware or virus? Reinstall and start over?
For me, that's not at all what I'm implying. As stated in my last post, you don't want a reactive tool, which is what AV programs are. You want something that stops the problem in it's tracks, before it arrives. There are plenty of methods that can do this. AV is only useful once the problem has manifested.
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Java/Flash etc. are borderline pointless. Java even more so as v10 will be their last version. Everyone knows that - talk about stating the obvious. Funny comment coming from someone at Google/Alphabet - how many holes have been fixed in Android over the last year then? What about your massive fragmentation problem? No? Ok!