did some even read teh whole text ??? IM in germany, and the news here are a bit different.. Anyway, for teh ones, that are 1. to stupid to read, or to lazy..heres an little nice Video explaining this trusted chip and why it isnt good for CONSUMER! Watch it, its quite interesting...(and in english)

http://www.lafkon.net/tc/

Also, im gonna link to an news site in germany. yeah its german, but i think u can find ur way to read it in EN..

https://netzpolitik.org/2013/interview-trusted-computing-stimmt-geheimdienste-froehlich/

and: http://futurezone.at/netzpolitik/17814-deutsche-regierung-warnt-vor-windows-8.php and: http://www.computerbase.de/news/2013-08/regierung-warnt-vor-nsa-hintertueren-in-windows-8/ if u read them and UNDERSTAND this, also read some comments, u will see it is about something else..U guys sometimes make me sick..The people saying, i have nothing to hide are worst of all.. You guys really wanna live in a world where teh industry says whats good and bad..whats right and wrong? Jeeeez.......(even the universitys in germany, IT firms and so on are taking this serious..Amerika is going crazy these days..(of course i mean the goverment, Multimillion buisnesses, etc, NOT the normal Person..i have Familly in America too..so..)

...Amerika is going crazy these days...

They certianly have a disproportionate view of the world and don't seem keen to embrace other nations for who they are, trying to shape them into their way of thinking. Population of the entire North American continent is barely 400 million, compared to Europe which is 650(ish - citation needed) but to talk to someone in politics you'd think the USA constitutes the entire planet and therefore anyone not from there must be made to think as they do, because they are the dominant apex. It's quite perplexing and baffling to witness. My own country is pretty bad for this also, and I see a great many similarities in thought process and belief systems, when the reality is, essentially, we all sleep under the same stars. On topic, yes; operating systems will never fully protect you. Welcome to workin with machines that were designed by human beings. As humans are flawed, so are machines.

The people saying, I have nothing to hide are worst of all..

Agree, they are like children who are not smart enough to understand that they are abused. So, I understand when teenagers say that, but when grown ups express such opinions then it means that they finally turned into grey mass with slave mentality who have no ambitions left and are not planing to stand up for anything (which leads to competition and possible enemies).

did some even read teh whole text ??? IM in germany, and the news here are a bit different.. Anyway, for teh ones, that are 1. to stupid to read, or to lazy..heres an little nice Video explaining this trusted chip and why it isnt good for CONSUMER! Also, im gonna link to an news site in germany. yeah its german, but i think u can find ur way to read it in EN.. and: http://futurezone.at/netzpolitik/17814-deutsche-regierung-warnt-vor-windows-8.php and: http://www.computerbase.de/news/2013-08/regierung-warnt-vor-nsa-hintertueren-in-windows-8/ if u read them and UNDERSTAND this, also read some comments, u will see it is about something else..U guys sometimes make me sick..The people saying, i have nothing to hide are worst of all.. You guys really wanna live in a world where teh industry says whats good and bad..whats right and wrong? Jeeeez.......(even the universitys in germany, IT firms and so on are taking this serious..Amerika is going crazy these days..

The industry already says what's good and bad. Where have you been? Doesn't matter what country you live in. Everyone is a slave to gov't. No.... Only real difference between "these days" and days past is that secrets are now getting out. Seems most, if not all, of this forum supports "trusted computing" in one way or another. Most of us are using Intel processors while Intel is a major supporter of "trusted computing".... Those not using Intel, are using AMD...who is also a major supporter of "trusted computing". Most of us are also running Windows....while Microsoft is among the biggest supporters of "trusted computing"... This article, while attempting to give an explanation of "Trusted Computing", gives a nice list of cons and why we, as users, should be completely against "Trusted Computing"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing

They certianly have a disproportionate view of the world and don't seem keen to embrace other nations for who they are, trying to shape them into their way of thinking. Population of the entire North American continent is barely 400 million, compared to Europe which is 650(ish - citation needed) but to talk to someone in politics you'd think the USA constitutes the entire planet and therefore anyone not from there must be made to think as they do, because they are the dominant apex. It's quite perplexing and baffling to witness. My own country is pretty bad for this also, and I see a great many similarities in thought process and belief systems, when the reality is, essentially, we all sleep under the same stars. On topic, yes; operating systems will never fully protect you. Welcome to workin with machines that were designed by human beings. As humans are flawed, so are machines.

I maybe reading too far into your post, but it seems to me that you're over-generalizing here. Not all "Ameircans" have such a thought. Some of us actually like the fact that not everyone or every country is the same. Would make the world extremely boring if that were the case. Some of us actually like learning about other countries and cultures....even though the US Gov't (and book writers/publishers) makes it rather hard. Hell, that's part of why I joined this forum. The vast wealth of different people from different countries and cultures. The population of the US alone is over 316.5 (316,511,000) million people. The reported population of Mexico is roughly 112.3 million people. The reported population of Canada is 34.48 million people. That's over 463.8 million people on the North American continent.... That hardly classifies as "barely 400 million"

The industry already says what's good and bad. Where have you been? Doesn't matter what country you live in. Everyone is a slave to gov't. No.... Only real difference between "these days" and days past is that secrets are now getting out. Seems most, if not all, of this forum supports "trusted computing" in one way or another. Most of us are using Intel processors while Intel is a major supporter of "trusted computing".... Those not using Intel, are using AMD...who is also a major supporter of "trusted computing". Most of us are also running Windows....while Microsoft is among the biggest supporters of "trusted computing"... This article, while attempting to give an explanation of "Trusted Computing", gives a nice list of cons and why we, as users, should be completely against "Trusted Computing"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing I maybe reading too far into your post, but it seems to me that you're over-generalizing here. Not all "Ameircans" have such a thought. Some of us actually like the fact that not everyone or every country is the same. Would make the world extremely boring if that were the case. Some of us actually like learning about other countries and cultures....even though the US Gov't (and book writers/publishers) makes it rather hard. Hell, that's part of why I joined this forum. The vast wealth of different people from different countries and cultures. The population of the US alone is over 316.5 (316,511,000) million people. The reported population of Mexico is roughly 112.3 million people. The reported population of Canada is 34.48 million people. That's over 463.8 million people on the North American continent.... That hardly classifies as "barely 400 million"

I was speaking specifically about politicians.

We all know the government watches the people, it always has and always will be this way, freaking out about it is stupid especially if your posting this stuff on an internet forum. I do find it ironic that the government of a country like Germany that in notorious for trying to control its citizens is going on about this though. Nowadays privacy is better than ever, before people were dumb and had the illusion of privacy, now no-one does, or at the very least it's not as one sided as in the past. It might be easier than ever for the government to spy on what the citizens are up to, but it's just as easy for the citizens to find out what the government are up to as well. The paranoid nuts need to leave those who say they have nothing hide alone though,just because someone else is happy and your not does not give you an excuse to try and bring them down to your level, and while you might call it blind ignorance they will likely die happy and you probably wont.

Concerned about this we shouldn't have ever bought these computer things. This only became a concern once we got modems. I agree with a lot here. There's more urgent things to worry about, we're printing $85 billion / month to keep spending it and we're pushing $17T in debt and not going to argue, I've heard people say we can pay it off, etc. It's always compared to GDP which is the amount of goods and services we produce as a nation, not what the government collects in taxes which is around 3-4T. As soon as we stop printing, a whole **** storm is coming soon. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or a Rep. or Dem. just can add, have common sense and like the one half that buy into this stuff they also as I really can't wrap my head around $1T and we have $90T in unpaid obligations by 2026. Nations are abandoning the dollar as the worlds currency and being that it's backed by our emotions alone and faith in our government there are bigger problems. No one gives a hoot, the Germans just know when we collapse so do they and let's lambast Windows 8. I like DirectX 11.1 and if they want to d/l my whole drive go ahead.

Well. didnt want to make a new Thread , so ill put it here: (since its kinda related)

NSA paid millions to cover Prism compliance costs for tech companies • Top-secret files show first evidence of financial relationship • Prism companies include Google and Yahoo, says NSA • Costs were incurred after 2011 Fisa court ruling

The material provides the first evidence of a financial relationship between the tech companies and the NSA. The National Security Agency paid millions of dollars to cover the costs of major internet companies involved in the Prism surveillance program after a court ruled that some of the agency's activities were unconstitutional, according to top-secret material passed to the Guardian. The technology companies, which the NSA says includes Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and Facebook, incurred the costs to meet new certification demands in the wake of the ruling from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance (Fisa) court. The October 2011 judgment, which was declassified on Wednesday by the Obama administration, found that the NSA's inability to separate purely domestic communications from foreign traffic violated the fourth amendment. While the ruling did not concern the Prism program directly, documents passed to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden describe the problems the decision created for the agency and the efforts required to bring operations into compliance. The material provides the first evidence of a financial relationship between the tech companies and the NSA. The intelligence agency requires the Fisa court to sign annual "certifications" that provide the legal framework for surveillance operations. But in the wake of the court judgment these were only being renewed on a temporary basis while the agency worked on a solution to the processes that had been ruled illegal. An NSA newsletter entry, marked top secret and dated December 2012, discloses the huge costs this entailed. "Last year's problems resulted in multiple extensions to the certifications' expiration dates which cost millions of dollars for Prism providers to implement each successive extension – costs covered by Special Source Operations," it says. Fisa 1 An NSA newsletter entry dated December 2012 disclosing the costs of new certification demands. Photograph: guardian.co.uk Special Source Operations, described by Snowden as the "crown jewel" of the NSA, handles all surveillance programs, such as Prism, that rely on "corporate partnerships" with telecoms and internet providers to access communications data. The disclosure that taxpayers' money was used to cover the companies' compliance costs raises new questions over the relationship between Silicon Valley and the NSA. Since the existence of the program was first revealed by the Guardian and the Washington Post on June 6, the companies have repeatedly denied all knowledge of it and insisted they only hand over user data in response to specific legal requests from the authorities. An earlier newsletter, which is undated, states that the Prism providers were all given new certifications within days of the Fisa court ruling. "All Prism providers, except Yahoo and Google, were successfully transitioned to the new certifications. We expect Yahoo and Google to complete transitioning by Friday 6 October." Fisa 2 An earlier undated newsletter after the Fisa court ruling on certifications. Photograph: guardian.co.uk The Guardian invited the companies to respond to the new material and asked each one specific questions about the scale of the costs they incurred, the form of the reimbursement and whether they had received any other payments from the NSA in relation to the Prism program. A Yahoo spokesperson said: "Federal law requires the US government to reimburse providers for costs incurred to respond to compulsory legal process imposed by the government. We have requested reimbursement consistent with this law." Asked about the reimbursement of costs relating to compliance with Fisa court certifications, Facebook responded by saying it had "never received any compensation in connection with responding to a government data request". Google did not answer any of the specific questions put to it, and provided only a general statement denying it had joined Prism or any other surveillance program. It added: "We await the US government's response to our petition to publish more national security request data, which will show that our compliance with American national security laws falls far short of the wild claims still being made in the press today." Microsoft declined to give a response on the record. The responses further expose the gap between how the NSA describes the operation of its Prism collection program and what the companies themselves say. Prism operates under section 702 of the Fisa Amendments Act, which authorises the NSA to target without a warrant the communications of foreign nationals believed to be not on US soil. But Snowden's revelations have shown that US emails and calls are collected in large quantities in the course of these 702 operations, either deliberately because the individual has been in contact with a foreign intelligence target or inadvertently because the NSA is unable to separate out purely domestic communications. Last week, the Washington Post revealed documents from Snowden that showed the NSA breached privacy rules thousands of times a year, in the face of repeated assurances from Barack Obama and other senior intelligence figures that there was no evidence of unauthorised surveillance of Americans. The newly declassified court ruling, by then chief Fisa judge John Bates, also revealed serious issues with how the NSA handled the US communications it was sweeping up under its foreign intelligence authorisations. The judgment revealed that the NSA was collecting up to 56,000 wholly US internet communications per year in the three years until the court intervened. Bates also rebuked the agency for misrepresenting the true scope of a major collection program for the third time in three years. The NSA newsletters say the agency's response to the ruling was to work on a "conservative solution in which higher-risk collection would be sequestered". At the same time, one entry states, the NSA's general counsel was considering filing an appeal. The Guardian informed the White House, the NSA and the office of the director of national intelligence that it planned to publish the documents and asked whether the spy agency routinely covered all the costs of the Prism providers and what the annual cost was to the US. The NSA declined to comment beyond requesting the redaction of the name of an individual staffer in one of the documents. UPDATE: After publication, Microsoft issued a statement to the Guardian on Friday afternoon. A spokesperson for Microsoft, which seeks reimbursement from the government on a case-by-case basis, said: "Microsoft only complies with court orders because it is legally ordered to, not because it is reimbursed for the work. We could have a more informed discussion of these issues if providers could share additional information, including aggregate statistics on the number of any national security orders they may receive."

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid

How does that have anything to do with the security of Windows8?

Exactly what I was thinking. I've spent the last decade assuming that Internet use was monitored, shocking news would of been revelations that no spying has went on.