GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition PCB Photos, have AD103 Silicon
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JamesSneed
I have a feeling I am going to go AMD this round. I need to see reviews but if they are good I would like to speak with my wallet.
JamesSneed
I think you are falling into the trap thinking more performance should equate to a higher price. This is of course what Nvidia has been pushing to sell more cards at higher prices. Thank goodness AMD and Intel didn't go this route the 16+ core chips would be 2-5K. If you start back at the first Nvidia card in 1999, the GeForce 256 at $249, and extrapolate out then you will see cards should be costing as much as new cars if you raise the cost equal to the performance gains. You need to compare tiers from generations then include inflation. Performance should be complety ignored.
anthos
I am not sure exactly in what way are you comparing? Are you saying that because the 4090 is 9 times faster than the 280x but not 9 times more expensive that the price is ok?
10 years ago having the 680GTX adjusted for inflation is around $650 today. (I didn't use the 690 for comprarison as Nvidia is expected to release a card in this generation faster than the 4090). So yes, prices have increased by quite a margin.
JamesSneed
You would be surprised as to how little these actually costs the vendors. Its much smaller than most assume.
schmidtbag
The materials themselves might not cost much but it would have a significant impact on shipping.
tunejunky
ok let's get very, very real:
40% of the cost of the 4090 is the power delivery system (all the way down to capacitors) this has been very hard hit since Covid (incl. stupid Chinese regs)
20% of the cost includes the design, implementation, and materials of the cooling system
30% of the cost is the low yield AD103 and the increased rates of TSMC
the remainder is marketing
i'm talking manufacturer's cost here, not the retail price. consider the price of just making the promo videos (marketing) including time, wages, and materials and you will see that even the banner ads in GeForce Experience (for example) ain't cheap (but are cheaper than YouTube).
JamesSneed
Shipping might be more than the actual heatsink costs.
tunejunky
they are related and that was part of my accounting.
brogadget
Must admit, actualy you are right and I am totaly wrong.
In fact, you can not compare 10 years old, not even 3 years old electronics at all with today, neither in terms of price nor in terms of performance nor in terms of almost anything.
Overall (indeed not because of the NV connector melt) I have the feeling, quality and price no longer have any relation to each other. Price depends only on hyped fps.
pegasus1
Yeah but add them up over the years, I think the 7800gtx was the first card I WCed.
Silva
4090 is 1600 before tax...
100 of them is at least $160.000, plus tax...
for you not to financially feel it, must be less than 10% of your current net worth...
Your net worth is over 1.6M?
Neo Cyrus
Should have been named 4060, and I said it costs twice what it should... I take that back, a 4060 should be $400 at most and even that's absurd, not $600. It costs 3x what it should.
My GTX 2080 was $400 CAD and I got it long before the 285 was released... and the 280 was the fully enabled die anyway, so by today's standards a Titan or 1 step above.
Silva
Ryzen 7950X supposedly costs AMD $80 or something like that, while being sold 10x for that. Granted, you need to factor in R&D and the investors tax. But if people still believe we're not overpaying for tech, they're as f*ed as a child in a dark room with a bunch of catholic priests.
umeng2002
The prices of GPUs are out of line with other PC components. It's that simple.
icedman
i hope after the initial bunch of buyers that will pay any price at launch theyre forced to sit on inventory as these prices are just insane getting out of hand.... remember when the initial titans launched and we all said it was crazy, clearly enough ppl still bought it to justify it as this is now an XX80 not even Ti card going for 1200$
umeng2002
That's how GPU launches use to go. The "I'll buy it at any price" people buy every single last one at launch. Then a mere 2 or 3 months after launch, GPUs are in stock and easy to find with a few going on sale bellow MSRP. Six months after launch, GPUs are raining from the sky.
That's how a healthy market works.
Venix
The stupidest argument for a new generation pricing to get more expensive is that it now gives you 60% more performance from the old generation so the price is 60% higher . In technology you want each new gen to bring you perf/$$$ progression not stagnation or regression. My first example is an example of stagnation.
HybOj
Dont worry, some ppl just dont understand the very basics of economy and that is increasing effectivity for a same price. This is what drives the roots of progress since forever. Jacket man got into their heads.
Anyway, I wonder, if its still true. Do we get same performance for less money now comparing prev generation to current generation?
Chert
The 4080 just defies the concept of price/performance. The 4090 offers about 70% more performance for a 7% increase in price. The 4080, on the other hand, gives about a 50% performance increase for a 71% increase in price. The 4080's price is just simply wrong. That US$ 1200 to 1300 price should be reserved for a future 4080ti on an AD102 silicon instead.
pegasus1
I didnt mean all as in every single card produced, i meant it would be nice if all models were offered as a PCB only option.
I swear the HSFs off my 6900xt and 1080Ti take up more wardrobe space in my mancave than spare fans and rads do.
