fantaskarsef:

So... we finally talking about how in reality, the bad guys are the AIBs? And not necessarily Nvidia or AMD? 😀

Wrong, the bad guys are those who just need the newest and pay outrageous prices, without them even scalpers would be out of bussiness.

XenthorX:

Bought my 3090 1700euros, what a steal ! 😱...

My RTX TUF 3080 for 882Eur in November 😀

Mineria:

Wrong, the bad guys are those who just need the newest and pay outrageous prices, without them even scalpers would be out of bussiness.

Nah, the scalping would still exist but would be much smaller since miners have a higher price ceiling.

jbscotchman:

At this point I don't think I'll ever be able to buy a new GPU again.

And this is searching by the cheapest price. It's bad times my fellow gurus.

Ain't that the truth.... gosh you could build a really nice pc for the price of this one video card..... https://i.imgur.com/gY4d2qi.jpg Or better yet.. medium range video cards? what medium range video cards? there are no medium range 20 series or 30 series video cards, only varying levels of ultra high end video cards... the price is what dictates what is considered medium range and these are not priced as medium range video cards. https://i.imgur.com/LOxS9rd.jpg Medium range video cards dictated by their actual prices are GTX 1050 Ti and RX 550.. 2021 ayyy.. You know the funny thing about the price gouging.. I was actually eying the PowerColor Radeon RX 580 Red Dragon Edition 8GB, I think it was close to $300 when I was looking at it... now it's $599

ssssss

KissSh0t:

Ain't that the truth.... gosh you could build a really nice pc for the price of this one video card..... https://i.imgur.com/gY4d2qi.jpg Or better yet.. medium range video cards? what medium range video cards? there are no medium range 20 series or 30 series video cards, only varying levels of ultra high end video cards... the price is what dictates what is considered medium range and these are not priced as medium range video cards. https://i.imgur.com/LOxS9rd.jpg Medium range video cards dictated by their actual prices are GTX 1050 Ti and RX 550.. 2021 ayyy.. You know the funny thing about the price gouging.. I was actually eying the PowerColor Radeon RX 580 Red Dragon Edition 8GB, I think it was close to $300 when I was looking at it... now it's $599

Yep, PC gaming is dying. I never thought I'd see it happen.

jbscotchman:

I want those prices but cheaper still.. xD

KissSh0t:

I want those prices but cheaper still.. xD

Doesn't matter, you can't buy one. What's funny is that Pascal and Turning cards are more expensive. This is ridiculous.

jbscotchman:

Doesn't matter, you can't buy one. What's funny is that Pascal and Turning cards are more expensive. This is ridiculous.

Ohh.. right.. just saw out of stock tag...

Clouseau:

No one seems to get it. Miners are only a small fraction of the issue. Miners only effect Supply and Demand's ability to influence prices. The main part of price is what the company thinks the market will bare; what consumers are willing to pay. Scalpers have shown these manufacturers that they are not charging enough. Their estimates were way too low. Eventually manufacturers will actually be charging what the market will bare thereby cutting out in mass, the scalpers. So the brunt of the blame is squarely with the scalpers. Reason, scalpers are functioning in an artificially created market segment. Welcome to the newly revised MSRP models brought to everyone by the scalping sector.

That all sounds like complete nonsense. Without mining, there's no way GPUs would be selling for these prices. There simply aren't enough gamers willing to get bent over like that. Scalpers have been around for a lot longer than miners and it's never had a long lasting impact on the entire industry. It just reads like another miner trying desperately to convince everyone else that's mining's not pure evil. Except that it is.

Miners have a higher threshold. They are willing to pay more than those who do not mine. Scalpers are able to adjust prices quicker due to a lack of purchase contracts. The AIBs are playing catchup. Say what you will, scalpers fill the gap created by how much slower the AIBs are able to react. The more often this occurs, the bolder scalpers will become when setting prices. AIBs are learning from this as well. Purchasing contracts will start to take into account how fast scalpers are able to react thereby allowing them to react faster. Eventually scalpers will be phased out because AIBs will be able to react just as quickly. Only at that point can one squarely point the finger and say that miners are the cause. There are more scalpers this time around. Bots are easier to come by and make it easier for both. This artificial segment has grown.

In November I spent £1850 on a 3090 because I got lucky finding some in shops after waiting 2.5 months for a 3080, and figured, dammit I'm having the best one. I had to bite my lip hard, not because I cant afford it, it just seemed an insulting price level, but what else could I do? I figured I can make this card last 4 years instead of 2, bringing the cost down to normal levels per year, not so bad. With whats happening now, I consider myself extremely fortunate to have any card at that price! I feel for everyone still trying to get "any" graphics card at all, this is madness. My worry is... PC gaming might become so expensive that people stop upgrading in droves and migrate to console or other hobbies, with knock on effects. And those who stick with it will upgrade less often. With a "LOT" less sales, many PC hardware companies will either raise prices, cease production (of certain items) or go out of business. With less gamers, the lower volume of games sold could see gaming companies fold or limit their portfolio meaning a lot less games. They might even raise prices too! PC gaming will lose so much consumer value with higher prices, less products and games. Companies raising their prices to ridiculous levels could well be ending our hobby and their own livelihood. Greed.

Clouseau:

Nah, the scalping would still exist but would be much smaller since miners have a higher price ceiling.

Read again and explain to me how you can run a scalping business without having any customers. Sad truth is that people willingly pay more, would be stupid not to take advantage of that.

deusex:

Then I'm one lucky guy. Was able to buy at almost at MSRP 3090 and 3070. And still have 2080Ti.

Nice, Im stuck with this ancient 980Ti, wish I acted when I had a chance, saw 3070 new for 500-530e back then. That would be a huge upgrade 😀

-Tj-:

Nice, Im stuck with this ancient 980Ti, wish I acted when I had a chance, saw 3070 new for 500-530e back then. That would be a huge upgrade 😀

Hey, can you reply to my msg please? 🙂

Prophet:

Hey, can you reply to my msg please? 🙂

I just did 🙂

So sad i didnt get the 5700xt when it was 400$. This is just worse and worse...

Glad I got my white ASUS Strix OC 3090 when it was in stock instead of waiting for watercooled factory 3080ti the 3090 prices are near AUD $4000 now. I just bought second hand car for $8000 2011Peugeot 308 o_Oo_Oo_O 😱 😱 😱;););):):):)

tailspin:

Glad I got my white ASUS Strix OC 3090 when it was in stock instead of waiting for watercooled factory 3080ti the 3090 prices are near AUD $4000 now. I just bought second hand car for $8000 2011Peugeot 308 o_Oo_Oo_O 😱 😱 😱;););):):):)

Not joking.... this is actually one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen happen in pc hardware ever. https://i.imgur.com/e4u6ddP.jpg

nick0323:

So glad I bought a 2060 super last year. I'll have to sit and wait this out I guess.

Same very glad I bought my 2070 Super at 650 AUD (~495 USD) just before the 3000 series was scheduled to release; in no hurry to buy a new GPU as the 2070 Super still does more than admirable job at 1440P and not playing anywhere near as much games these days.