Featured: ZOTAC RTX 4090 Graphics Card

Meathelix1

2022-09-13 00:38

Dragam1337:

I love these comments from people who obviously werent going to buy the halo product in the first place... Dont worry, your 4070/4080 will be much more reasonable...

How do you know I am not going to buy it? Can you point out exactly where I said "I am not going to buy it" I could buy as many as I wanted if I wanted to just hand money directly to the CEO. I am just stating the fact that it's a huge card and the only way they are getting more performance nowadays is just by making it bigger and drawing more power. Also how GPUs are taking more than 1 PCIe slot just to fit them in there. Just last week I got a 3090ti for $1100 AUD. Great time to buy them, as for my gaming PC I will be getting a 4090 if the price per performance is right.

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kill007

2022-09-13 04:00

Meathelix1:

How do you know I am not going to buy it? Can you point out exactly where I said "I am not going to buy it" I could buy as many as I wanted if I wanted to just hand money directly to the CEO. I am just stating the fact that it's a huge card and the only way they are getting more performance nowadays is just by making it bigger and drawing more power. Also how GPUs are taking more than 1 PCIe slot just to fit them in there. Just last week I got a 3090ti for $1100 AUD. Great time to buy them, as for my gaming PC I will be getting a 4090 if the price per performance is right.

how did you get a brand new 3090ti for 1100AUD? Min i see is 1900AUD for a 3090ti. Do you mean 3080?

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Meathelix1

2022-09-13 06:00

kill007:

how did you get a brand new 3090ti for 1100AUD? Min i see is 1900AUD for a 3090ti. Do you mean 3080?

Check Facebook you got people selling basically brand new 3000 series (3-4 months old) in hoping that the 4000 series will crush the 3000 series.

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LimitbreakOr

2022-09-13 07:07

Meathelix1:

Check Facebook you got people selling basically brand new 3000 series (3-4 months old) in hoping that the 4000 series will crush the 3000 series.

I don't think you know what "brand new" means.

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Kaarme

2022-09-13 08:09

wavetrex:

So, how much ? $799 for this ? I mean, with millions of 3070, 3080 and other variations about to be available starting with 3 days from now on the 2nd hand market for rock bottom prices, not sure if they can ask more for the "4090" and actually expect to sell significant number of them.

It's the flagship card, not a mainstream card. The plan is not to sell great numbers of them, relatively speaking. 4090 is meant for people who want to have the best one available and are willing to pay for it. It doesn't matter if there are cheaper old gen cards available because they can't compete. By the looks of it, Nvidia might not even have reached the real pain threshold price yet, even though they most certainly did experiment with it already. Wealthier folks were still willing to cough up the cash. Or at least miners did, haha.

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Typhon Six Six Six

2022-09-13 09:56

That card looks cringe. I better call PG&E and upgrade my transformer and house lines.

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Meathelix1

2022-09-13 11:01

Kaarme:

It's the flagship card, not a mainstream card. The plan is not to sell great numbers of them, relatively speaking. 4090 is meant for people who want to have the best one available and are willing to pay for it. It doesn't matter if there are cheaper old gen cards available because they can't compete. By the looks of it, Nvidia might not even have reached the real pain threshold price yet, even though they most certainly did experiment with it already. Wealthier folks were still willing to cough up the cash. Or at least miners did, haha.

Like you said the 4090 will be for people who want to use it for work or are happy to throw money for 4k gaming and of course want it first to show off. But when you say "can't compete" what exactly do you mean? Because the 3060 and up run games fine on high / ultra and high fps at 1080 and 1440p. If you take a look at the steam charts the most popular res is still 1080p. The 3090 and 3090ti can run games at 4k ultra on some games and some others not so much at Ultra but just dial the quality down or enable DLSS and it runs great. I reckon the 4080 will also be good for 4k gaming, not as high as fps but still decent. I am a 4k gamer myself and I will buy once the reviewers get their hands on the card and we get some real benchmarks. None of this marketing spew that Nvidia and AMD do.

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fantaskarsef

2022-09-13 11:24

Personally, I don't like this 90s design of the cooler. Then again, putting my next card under a waterblock anyway, I couldn't care less, I've got to pay for a cooler I don't use anyway. And I'm more interested in the features noted on the box like @CPC_RedDawn said

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Meathelix1

2022-09-13 12:25

fantaskarsef:

Personally, I don't like this 90s design of the cooler. Then again, putting my next card under a waterblock anyway, I couldn't care less, I've got to pay for a cooler I don't use anyway. And I'm more interested in the features noted on the box like @CPC_RedDawn said

Not the key features but what I could gather from the green area. AI Accelerated Performance - New DLSS 3.0? Cutting-Edge Something Built for Live Streaming Something-Something Your Creativity AI Advancement Something Something This is def a "Creators" card, I feel like they have created more "ai tech" crap again. It could be the new streaming/recording codec that Intel has in theirs. It lowers the amount needed per bit rate but keeps the quality really good. We have phones that can take 4k photos yet they can't take 4k photos of the box. Whoever uploaded it lost all the quality most likely done on purpose, can't give too much away.

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tunejunky

2022-09-13 14:27

wavetrex:

So, how much ? $799 for this ? I mean, with millions of 3070, 3080 and other variations about to be available starting with 3 days from now on the 2nd hand market for rock bottom prices, not sure if they can ask more for the "4090" and actually expect to sell significant number of them.

i disagree...but not a huge amt. you are right on the spot with market conditions, but you miss how high end items are marketed. they don't need to sell the same numbers as a xx80/xx70 but they're making quite a bit over 3x the profit margin of those cards (in the new pricing scheme). the high end is it's own universe with unique rules that don't apply to the mainstream (until EOL). here the supply is always limited (Nvidia screwed that poochie last year with 3 fab runs) and if you have to ask the price you cannot afford it - just like MB, Tiffany's, LV, fine Swiss watches, etc.. the fact you don't see one everyday is a selling point and over half of the folks that buy one are buying it for bragging rights.

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Kaarme

2022-09-13 17:38

Meathelix1:

But when you say "can't compete" what exactly do you mean? Because the 3060 and up run games fine on high / ultra and high fps at 1080 and 1440p. If you take a look at the steam charts the most popular res is still 1080p.

If you want the best, then only the fastest and newest option on the market will do. Nothing else can compete as far as that preference goes. Some people can actually put all the performance to good use, but for others it's surely more subjective.

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Venix

2022-09-13 18:04

Meathelix1:

I guess that is the only way they are getting more performance, making it bigger and drawing more power.

Your guess is very very wrong. The card even down clocked will be significantly better than last gen, what drives the consumption so high is the competition to get every drop of performance from the cards to win the benches that's all.

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tsunami231

2022-09-13 18:12

Venix:

Your guess is very very wrong. The card even down clocked will be significantly better than last gen, what drives the consumption so high is the competition to get every drop of performance from the cards to win the benches that's all.

would should not to "down" clock our cards to keep TDP/Watt in check in fact most people dont do that like most people dont OC Doing all this with TDP/Watt in check and good prices would have bigger braging rights then doing this with ridiculously amount of TDP/watt and unreasonable prices

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Meathelix1

2022-09-14 02:12

Kaarme:

If you want the best, then only the fastest and newest option on the market will do. Nothing else can compete as far as that preference goes. Some people can actually put all the performance to good use, but for others it's surely more subjective.

Yeah that is right, I use the 24G of Vram on the 3090ti for my work, and yeah it crushes the 3080 only because of Vram but for games. Yeah not so much. If you don't use its full potential then it's just bragging rights, but I guess if people get off that way. There was a 3090 vs A6000 and they are on par with a lot of tasks.

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Venix

2022-09-14 02:53

tsunami231:

would should not to "down" clock our cards to keep TDP/Watt in check in fact most people dont do that like most people dont OC Doing all this with TDP/Watt in check and good prices would have bigger braging rights then doing this with ridiculously amount of TDP/watt and unreasonable prices

100% agree , the thing is what I am trying to relay here is that the reason the cards are so power hungry is cause they are out of the box pushed beyond their efficiency curve from the factory. I do not like the trend and does it too Vega 64 was pushed so hard almost doubling the consumption for 5% extra performance just cause AMD was desperate to pretend they are on par or really close with the 1080 at the time. Hell Nvidia going from Samsung 8nm to tsmc 5 is what alone will give em at the very least 40-50% even if they just port ampere I bet 😛

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tsunami231

2022-09-14 04:05

Venix:

100% agree , the thing is what I am trying to relay here is that the reason the cards are so power hungry is cause they are out of the box pushed beyond their efficiency curve from the factory. I do not like the trend and does it too Vega 64 was pushed so hard almost doubling the consumption for 5% extra performance just cause AMD was desperate to pretend they are on par or really close with the 1080 at the time. Hell Nvidia going from Samsung 8nm to tsmc 5 is what alone will give em at the very least 40-50% even if they just port ampere I bet 😛

It not trend i like is will keep me from buy cards from time being

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tunejunky

2022-09-14 13:56

Venix:

100% agree , the thing is what I am trying to relay here is that the reason the cards are so power hungry is cause they are out of the box pushed beyond their efficiency curve from the factory. I do not like the trend and does it too Vega 64 was pushed so hard almost doubling the consumption for 5% extra performance just cause AMD was desperate to pretend they are on par or really close with the 1080 at the time. Hell Nvidia going from Samsung 8nm to tsmc 5 is what alone will give em at the very least 40-50% even if they just port ampere I bet 😛

my god what a coup porting ampere to 5nm would be...if there wasn't a glut of ampere

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Venix

2022-09-14 17:43

tunejunky:

my god what a coup porting ampere to 5nm would be...if there wasn't a glut of ampere

oh and with the switch to proof of stake more incoming , I do not think they just ported ampere especially with rDNA from AMD improving so much each gen they can not afford too not work on improving the architecture!